AI and the singularity

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by arfa brane, Jun 9, 2017.

  1. river

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    ai is made from life intelligence

    ai can not order its self into being .

    Energy and matter can not order its self into any form of intelligence ; in and of its self .
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes it can. That's why we call it Artificial Intelligence, or perhaps a better term would be Quasi-intelligence. i.e. being smart without emotion.
    Of course it can.
    It can order itself into many patterns of which intelligence is but one. Intelligence was not bestowed by some external intelligence, it is a product of evolution.

    A.I.s can learn and become smarter, they already beat our best chess players. The difference is that an AI will not gloat over his intellectual triumphs as Bobby Fischer did.
     
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  5. river

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    You misunderstand my point ;

    ai exists because life exists to bring ai into existence .

    Without Life , ai could never exist .

    And ai can not arrange energy and matter without energy and matter existing before the ai .

    ai is based , its self , on energy and matter .
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    One can make a strong case that the universe itself functions in a quasi-intelligent mathematical manner.

    But I you are correct that living things display intelligence very early in the evolutionary stage.
    The single celled Paramecium acts intelligently, without a brain. It can voluntarily move via its flagella and can learn to avoid obstacles, it selects a mate and procreates. Of course all this is not intentional. Does that make it quasi-intelligent?
    The same thing is true of the singe celled slime-mold. No brain, but incredible resourcefulness.

    IMO. the secret lies in sensory abilities. Perhaps intelligent life is determined by its ability to sense and respond, with or without a brain.

    If so, then proto-life begins at the bio-chemical level and that is not life itself.
     
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  8. river

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    No you can't .
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I can and I have been elsewhere in Sciforums.

    But if intelligence can only arise from life, where and how did life arise in the universe?

    In the end it always comes down to energy and pure chemical elements (matter) emerging from the post-BB plasma.
     
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  10. river

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    Where , everywhere in the Universe .

    How , Life is always in the Universe . Life arises when the physical enviroment , planets etc. allows for lifes manifestation .

    Pure chemicals have no inherent intelligence . They can't order themselves into life forms .
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, not everywhere.
    Most probably somewhere in the universe.
    Yes, but those conditions are not present everywhere in the universe.
    Actually they can and do via bio-chemistry and evolutionary processes.

    This is a really interesting and informative video-lecture by Robert Hazen at Carnegie Institute for Science.
    If you wish to watch it, start at 25:00 to avoid a lengthy introduction.

     
  13. river

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    Everywhere in this Universe that a Galaxy is present , that can give the enviroment , planets , upon which life can manifest . To take hold . And become a form of Life .

    Life cannot exist in space , drifting around . For Life to exist and evolve ; it needs a place of stability . Such as a planet , Ours for example . And stability of source of energy .


    Yes

    Because of Life .
     
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  14. river

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    Chemistry , physics is limited by the elements that exist naturally .

    What life does is manipulate these elements . ( the Periodic Table of elements .) To make new materials . Which may or not occur in this Universe already .

    Yes I have ,( part way through ) , your suggestion of watching this video .

    One the best if not the best video so far , I've ever watched . I will watch it several times .

    river

    Thanks Write4U .
     
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  15. river

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    Life then creates an advanced nervous system .
     
  16. river

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    Humans , being a living form , will always experence this Universe different from any electronic form , because it is Life .

    No matter how sensitive , intelligent , and memory ai has become , will become , none will replace the biological sensitive understanding of being alive .

    Life intelligence is different from electronic intelligence .
     
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