Capitalism is freedom?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by shichimenshyo, Dec 29, 2009.

  1. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Describe your idea of a better system - political and economic.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It does no such thing. You are free to not work and live with your parents for the rest of your (or their) lives.

    "The other lie is socialism wouldn't work." Socialism does work. We use it. Roads - socialist. Military - socialist. Power generation - an odd hybrid of capitalist and socialist. The CDC - socialist. Air traffic control - socialist. And on and on.

    "The definition of a Fascist Dictator is one who has control over land and resources, capitalizing on the wants, needs and even the hardships of the people, and exploiting the people's lives for their own personal gain of wealth and power." And part of that definition is that he must not allow his subjects to leave. If they can leave - he's not a dictator. If they can leave but are too lazy to leave - he's not a dictator.

    Capitalism is the worst system we have tried, with the exception of every single other system we have tried. The USSR comes to mind - as does North Korea and China.
     
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  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The cool thing about this forum is that paragraphs are free. Maybe use a few while you are resurrecting a 12 year old thread?
     
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  7. O. W. Grant Registered Senior Member

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    Hi, shichimenshyo,

    Such a nice question.

    A thing is always in a connection (that means a thing is always in a space = there are rules upon it/him/her ("logic")
    (for people and such that means a society). /an axiom/

    = = =

    First of all, freedom is ALWAYS IN SINGULAR!
    https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=freedom

    If anyone talks about "freedoms", that one does not understand or that one is a con-artist (some kind of a politician).

    = = =

    To have, to have, to have, ... (let's say it is all about 1's). /"capitalism"/

    To be equal, to be equal, to be equal, ... (let's say it is all about 0's). /"socialism"/

    It is a Binary system. One does not (en-)code entirely in 1's and one does not (en-)code entirely in 0's. One needs both.

    = = =

    Consciousness is a machine. It perceives the "world" in a such a way and it transforms the "world" in a such a way.
     
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  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    False.

    There are different kinds of freedoms.

    "United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt once made a speech on what he called the "Four Freedoms: freedom of speech and expression, freedom of religion, freedom from want, and freedom from fear."

    https://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/freedoms#:~:text=Singular,one (kind of) freedom.
     
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  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Sock puppet.
     
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  10. O. W. Grant Registered Senior Member

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    Hi, DaveC426913,

    It is nice to hear from you.

    Of course freedom can be used as countable. But in that case the speaker does not use word/language properly or changes the meaning of the word.

    "... a con-artist (some kind of a politician)."

    "Roosevelt was reelected in 1940 for his third term, making him the only U.S. president to serve for more than two terms." (Wikipedia)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

    William Lutz, professor of English at Rutgers University, talked about his book Double-Speak: The Use of Language to Deceive You.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?10449-1/doublespeak


    It's been a pleasure reading your post.
    O. W. Grant.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No. Freedoms is countable. So is moneys, by the way, for the same reason.

    Your opinion of what is "not proper" is wrong.
     
  12. O. W. Grant Registered Senior Member

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    To have, to have, to have, ... (let's say it is all about 1's). /"capitalism"/


    capital(2) n /U/ wealth/money/property that may be used for the production of more wealth; ...

    capitalism n /U/ economic system in which a country's trade and industry are organized and controlled by the owners of capital, ...

    Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary of Current English, Oxford University Press 1974

    - - -

    economic (adj.)
    https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=economic


    = = =

    George W. Bush: " This is an impressive crowd. The haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base".

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4506459/user-clip-haves-mores


    - - -

    al-Qaeda, Arabic al-Qāʿidah (“the Base”), ...

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/al-Qaeda
     
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  13. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Most modern "capitalists" states have mixed economies.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Don't confuse him!

    Can't you see it's all he can do to understand his own thoughts? Don't add to his burden with other thoughts.
     
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  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    in a pure capitalist society a baby is born owning and having rights to nothing
    it is only socialism that gives rights to the baby to food and health care and housing

    so no
    capitalism is not freedom
    it is enslavement to money
     
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  16. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    What nations these days are capitalist according to this definition? I don't know of any.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is false.

    For example: in many capitalist societies, newborn babies have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as well as many other things. Because the law upholds those rights. Capitalism has nothing to do with rights.

    I am not sure why you added the word "pure" that precedes "capitalism", but whatever you mean by it, it doesn't serve to negate the word "society" that follows the word "capitalism".
     
  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    in the usa do babys have a right to food, housing and healthcare ?
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    Google Civil Rights of Children in the United States
    A selection:
    • A name and a nationality from birth.
    • Family care or parental care, or to appropriate alternative care when removed from the family environment.
    • Basic nutrition, shelter, basic health care services and social services.
    • Be protected from maltreatment, neglect, abuse or degradation.


    (BTW, not that it matters, but I am not American.)
     
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  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.humanium.org/en/united-states-of-america/
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The United States signed (in 1977) and ratified (in 1992) the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Under the terms of that treaty, nations that ratify it are obliged to protect and preserve basic human rights such as the right to life and to human dignity, equality before the law, freedom of speech, assembly and association, religious freedom and privacy, freedom from torture, ill-treatment and arbitrary detention, gender equality, fair trial and minority rights.

    The US has also signed (in 1995) the Convention on the Rights of the Child, but is yet to ratify it. Apart from Somalia, the US is the only United Nations member state that has not yet ratified this treaty.
     
  23. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    However, otherwise there is no comparison between the U.S. and Somalia.
     

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