Controversial AZ Immigration Bill is now Law

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sandy, Apr 24, 2010.

  1. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    On the other hand, Arizona has a real and immediate problem with crimes being perpetrated by Mexicans. And it's VERY bad.

    Meanwhile, Arizona is about to get anally raped... economically speaking. The ACLU, MoveOn.org and quite a few other civil rights organizations are already calling for an economic boycott of Arizona as a response to this new and completely unconstitutional law.

    Arizona is a gun-happy, right-wing and racist shithole. I've been there several times and I wouldn't live there if you paid me. If you live there, you might want to pack your bags soon.
     
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  3. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Yep, it happens all of the time here. However if employers did the checks that they should it's very easy to spot fraud. A driver's license is not proof of citizenship, only a social security card or passport, it says that on every job application in the state. Illegal immigrants who obtain fake or fraudulent social security numbers should red flag almost immediately. My father's company ran background checks on 3 of their new hires and found that their social security numbers belonged to a 2 year old and two dead people, obviously not their own social security numbers. But more often than not people know they are hiring illegal immigrants and just turn a blind eye because it saves them oodles of cash and the penalties are virtually nonexistent (unenforced). Even if the employer manages to get off claiming they were completely unaware of their employees' citizenship status, they might still find it worth their while to do the checks they should just so they wouldn't have to hassle with the court process.
     
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  5. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    all well and fine... but a great deal of these jobs the illegals are working at are jobs that gringos don't want to do
     
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  7. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Well, if the economy gets worse people will likely take such jobs.

    Just curious, to which jobs do you refer?
     
  8. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    cleaning hotel rooms.. working in lettuce field ... grunt work...etc.
    Yes they have bagged some good construction jobs too, a lot of that is in part to busting all the unions up...btw i hate unions it protects the slackers who have high seniority and don't feel they have to work any longer.

    Yes they are here illegally .. not like US citizens don't commit crimes.

    The vast majority of them are good, honest, hardworking and NICE people.

    They want the same things that most everyone else wants .. to provide a good live for their families.

    You can't judge the whole lot because of a few bad apples..unless you want to say all white people are Jeffrey Dahmer, Tex Watson...etc.
     
  9. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    True, I don't see how the fact they commit crimes is really that big of an issue. I'd much rather focus on the fact that they're getting jobs and not paying taxes.

    Eh, i'd say some of them are. I knew a few. They were very good friends, and nice people. But there are those few bad eggs.

    Yeah it's like saying all Germans are Nazis.
     
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Well then they should make it much harder to generate counterfeits! Personally I don't think the businesses even go as far as to process paperwork, when a contractor swings by Home Depot to pick up cheap labors I doubt he processes any paperwork.
     
  11. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    So you're saying it is just For California to block business trade with Arizona because you just personally don't like them?

    And because you have a personal grudge against Arizona it is OK for other Americans to stop all trade with them, when all there doing is setting laws for there own state?

    Dude thats not right and if California does, the rest of the USA should Put trade Sanctions On California.
     
  12. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    :bravo: I don't see any sense in putting trade sanctions on Arizona because of their opinions. That doesn't seem like a good decision in a Republic, in which peoples opinions matter. If they want to do it, I say let them, it's their state.
     
  13. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah bro, i don't know how, some people really and truly think it is all right for Cali to even threaten to do this.
     
  14. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    There are some things that will never be figured out.
     
  15. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    this law will probably get overturned or repealed. Hell the MLBPA is involved in getting rid of this filthy law.
     
  16. superstring01 Moderator

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    You think that the current makeup of the SCOTUS is going to overturn this? Really? The FBI already uses profiling as a standard for investigation and it's held up in court for eons. What makes you think it'll be thrown out, especially now that AZ is adjusting the law to make "profiling" a bit more restrictive. One has to prove harm in a court of law. Potential harm is not something that can be tried in court.

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  17. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    how facinating that those who call random breath testing "police harrasment" even though by definition it targets EVERYONE who happens to drive down road x, who insist the police use silly and inacurate "walk in a straight line" tests rather than objective and acurate breath and saliva tests because thats "unreasonable search and sizure" are the very people infavor of these laws. love the hypocrates
     
  18. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    it will get repealed long before it gets before the SCOTUS. the MLB is going to put pressure on them and it will get repealed. their not going to chance losing the 100 of millions of dollars the diamondbacks make for the state.
     
  19. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    It isn't the profiling that makes it likely to be struck down as unconstitutional, it's that the States have no power (even in the absence of federal action) to pass laws that interfere with the federal governments exclusive power to conduct foreign relations, which arresting foreigners specifically for being foreign does seem to impact.

    It's called the "dormant foreign affairs" or "dormant foreign relations" doctrine."

    From the Supreme Court's web site:

    http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/article-2/26-dormant-foreign-relations.html
     
  20. superstring01 Moderator

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    Incorrect.

    The state of AZ is not interfering with the federal government's conduct of foreign affairs. Once the individual crosses into Arizona, the state is allowed--and indeed is obligated--to enforce federal and state laws. Verifying that a person is legally present in the USA is not an international action.

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  21. superstring01 Moderator

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    The law is supported by 7 out of 8 Arizona citizens. Who is going to repeal it? Such an act would require a re-vote in both houses AND for the governor to sign that act into law. You think that professional baseball is going to cause a state to alter a law?

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  22. sandy Banned Banned

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    W. By allowing security to do their jobs.

    We are not responsible for the sins of our fathers. We owe no men anything. This is 2010. We do owe our citizens enforcement of our laws. Letting all the criminal aliens in here to trash this country is criminal. ANYONE involved in aiding/abetting a criminal alien should be punished. Harshly.

    No, they're not and they have proven they're not. Most are here to steal, kill and destroy. Like Satan. They steal ID's, SS#'s, jobs, education, welfare etc. They have killed more innocent Americans DUI than the war in Iraq. They have destroyed housing by being the first/majority to stop paying their (illegally-obtained) mortgages. They destroy neighborhoods, schools, hospitals and everywhere they go/everything they touch. Most are single men who come here and live like animals. They send most of their money back to MX and suck this country dry. I support shoot-to-kill at the border. It has gotten that bad.
     
  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Money always tells. we are talking about the loss of millions of dollars of revenue for the state and that's just the MLB, other businesses also have reason to avoid arizona. also there is a strong measure to put it on referendum.
     

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