Could the universe be just part of some bigger "living" lifeform?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by noope, Jul 19, 2011.

  1. river

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    Yes

    But what you can't prove is that mathematics produces material objects
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Arguing/debating/conversing with river, is like arguing/debating/conversing with a rock!

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  5. river

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    Go back to my post #76
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes what? You can prove your "theory"?
    So now you don't even read what I write anymore? Do you know what the Higgs boson and the Higgs field is and what it does?
    I just showed you that we produced the Higgs boson at Cern via applied mathematics.
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    OK....
    Explain?

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    Don't bother....I'll do it for you. The origin of Maths, or the question of was it invented or discovered, is a philosophical question, without any real answer.
    My opinion is it was/is part of the fabric of the universe like the universal constants etc. Others believe we invented the process.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics

    The undeniable fact though [well at least to reasonably logical people] is that it is an essential part of science and particularly physics, often classed as the language of physics. Any theory/idea/hypothesis that does not align with the mathematical functions is wrong.
     
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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Why.....

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  10. river

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    To your last statement ; Disagree

    So before mathematics this Higgs Boson , did not exist . Thats what your saying .
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I don't care, you're wrong.
    Exactly, the Higgs boson cannot exist independent from matter. Peter Higgs figured out the mathematics by which the boson could be made to manifest, even if just for an instant. This may happen in cosmic clouds, but without the applied mathematics at the Cern collider, would never be observable on earth.

    When forced to become explicate from matter or the Higgs field, it has a decay time (lifespan)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson#Decay

    The Higgs boson cannot exist independently. It immediately decays into other, smaller particles. This is why Peter Higgs received the Nobel prize for "teasing" (creating) it from the colliding massive particles. Proving that applied mathematics are functional at extremely small universal scales.

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    Candidate Higgs boson events from collisions between protons in the LHC. The top event in the CMS experiment shows a decay into two photons (dashed yellow lines and green towers).
    The lower event in the ATLAS experiment shows a decay into four muons (red tracks).[a]


    Composition:
    Elementary particle
    Statistics: Bosonic
    Status: A new particle with a mass of 125 GeV was discovered in 2012 and later confirmed to be the Higgs boson with more precise measurements

    Human Mathematics are symbolic representations of "universal relative values (potentials) and mathematical functions", i.e. Universal Mathematics.
     
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  12. river

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    The Higgs field existed .

    It always had .

    But not why the small Universal scales exist in the first place .
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You asked if we could produce matter via practical application of mathematics.
    I just proved we can and did.
    Because there is no such thing as "irreducible complexity".

    Are you suggesting that all the fundamental particles which make up the entire mass of the universe are each little miracles created by the cosmic intelligence, for purposes of creating humans on earth? Would make a nice sci-fi story.
    Oh wait we already have that, it's called the bible, with irreducible complexity to boot..

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    Actually they are tiny mathematical patterns. Everything is mathematical in essence.
    If your God exists, it is merely a mathematical pattern. Mathematics reign supreme!

    I'm still waiting for any form of proof for your hypothesis of a motivated cosmic intelligence.
     
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  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    You are doing rocks all over the non sentinel Universe a disservice with such comparison

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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Rocks are "good people".
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Ya that's what they said about the Roll that went with the Rock

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, that's how rocks roll......

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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Yep and it's all downhill from then

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It's the gravity of the situation...

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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Back to reality....

    I see this metaphor : “The Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost”, in a very simple way

    Translation: “The Cause, the Effect, the Mathematical Function”
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Just have to roll with it and try not to be uppity, it will only get you down

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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I'll never be uppity, I'm rock solid......

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  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Didn't they get rid of ghost and bring in spirit?

    I'm on the level with this

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