Did Nothing Create Everything?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by SetiAlpha6, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    No one here may see the evidence I presented as being scientific evidence for God, which would probably be impossible since the current scientific approach is limited, and must assume that God does not exist, before it can even function.

    But I see it as evidence for God nonetheless, scientific worthy or not, and the consensus is building for that view. I regard it only as evidence, not proof!

    The evidence at the Split Rock is only one smaller piece of a much larger puzzle that combines together to make a much stronger case for the existence of God.

    Every individual puzzle piece can easily be discarded.

    I personally find it much harder to discard the whole puzzle when it is completely assembled.

    Put together, the puzzle components have a fairly long reach over time, linking previous events even in the Garden of Eden to the Exodus account, and also projecting forward in time about 1400 years into the future, as a symbol, a type, or a kind of shadow of the crucifixion of Christ.

    If this is a grand deception, it would seem to me, like someone would have had to go to an awful lot of coordinated trouble over the several countries and various environments involved, to pull it all off.

    Just my opinion, not wishing to insult or offend anyone.
     
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  3. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, right! Because you love people and want the best for them! And you want to be a blessing to others!!!

    How can we clone you?
     
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  5. pluto2 Registered Senior Member

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    I just don't buy the "of course God exists argument".

    From what I've seen I think that everything can be explained by science and even if God existed which I think that He simply doesn't then I think that this God could, and should theoretically, be explained by science as well.

    Show me one thing that can't be explained by science and I bet you won't be able to find anything.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe God is real and you are his gift to women?

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    I assume Merc means Mercedes in your area. In my area it would have meant Mercury. Real estate agents do seem to like to drive Mercedes. I guess it's to show how successful they've been?

    It's odd if you think about it as it really just shows that the client is paying for the agents luxury car and maybe commissions should be lowered.

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  8. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    That is a very appropriate approach to the God question, in my opinion anyway!

    I would offer that perhaps Science cannot yet explain existence itself.

    It cannot explain the existence of life?

    The more life is studied the more complex and unlikely it becomes. The mathematical probability has basically been zero for a long time now. And it is getting worse, the more we know. Regarding this, the estimate I have seen is that there are about 100 trillion atoms in each human cell. These are all arranged in specified order or design not in a random arrangement.

    I don’t see how Science can even prove its own foundational premise.

    I don’t see how it could ever prove a whole number of negatives. That the physical universe is all there is, for example. That God does not exist, etc.

    Why there is something instead of nothing?

    Is there any purpose to life?

    What is morality based on, and who decides what the best morality format is for mankind?

    You probably have heard of all of these many times before.
     
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  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Science is not out to prove God, or whatever, does not exist.

    Physical Laws are even only mathematical approximations of the physical universe that can change over time i.e. Newtonian Physics gave way to Relativity and Quantum Mechanics.
     
  10. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I need to study both Relativity and Quantum Mechanics some day! I only know enough to be dangerous.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? The opposite is true. The more we study life the more understandable it becomes, and the more we understand how it could have started.
    Of course. They have been specified by the laws of physics.
    Which premise is that? That the nature of reality can be discerned by observation and through experiment? We've demonstrated that a million times. You are using a network based on that foundational premise being true over and over again.
    That's not a question for science. It is a human question, since "purpose" has no real scientific meaning.
    Morality is based on what people want it to be. There are no "best" ones unless you define your goals for "best." Most offspring? Least violence?
     
  12. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, we are understanding more all the time.

    If we ever learn how to create life, with sophisticated laboratories, machines, and human intelligence, we will only prove that it takes intelligence to pull it off.
     
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  13. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know...we could go to a church and pray and see what happens or we could seek the help of science...oh yes science science can do that sort of stuff...

    You sound grumpy today.

    And here I am going to the trouble of showing how delusion can overtake even someone like me...but it's strange that the more God you add to the delusional mix the more onlookers will say you are crazy...that was my point.


    And subtle perhaps too subtle.

    And I do hope you can decide to be more cheerful today.

    So far you have done a great job of proving the existence of rocks adding some delusion and made a decent attempt at appearing crazy.

    Well done.

    Alex
     
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    I don't think I would be the only successful male to find them lining up ...so no God in the mix...
    Yes. And here was me thinking that good service, keeping promises, being decent were good virtues and all I needed was a flash car...
    You know that's what I always thought but in real estate you see many crazy things...one thing..if someone sprouted god this and god that and then would say we dont need any paper work...run away.
    One extreme case..I was seeking a listing..the guy fitted that bill...you have my word etc..I drove past the house next morning to see another agent's sign ... what BS if he didn't like me etc why lie that the listing was mine ... probably because I didn't have a Merc...which I gave back after two weeks I felt like a hypocrite was all...And the response from close friends ..you could feel the envy and them drifting away.

    In most cases a real estate agent makes real money from buying and selling which I never did while in the business because I saw it as a conflict of interest...it's like all things generally you need money to make money I never had a big bank roll and had trouble keeping the doors open in a market down turn whereas the guys who bought and sold did better in a squeeze cause to sell you had to take what was offered...

    God should do something about all the folk who use his name to con people...I wonder why he does nothing..pastors with private jets...etc.
    Alex
     
  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    That's the beauty of the God business. When you know he doesn't exist, you can flog it for all it's worth.
     
  16. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, I was not kidding when I said...

    “Because you love people and want the best for them! And you want to be a blessing to others!!!”

    I really think that is the real you, from what I can see anyway.

    Sorry, I am not trying to be grumpy.

    I just appreciate hearing your point of view!
     
  17. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    I agree!
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    There is no need to apologise I was concerned for you and was hoping to snap you out of it.

    Alex
     
  19. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    And Seti
    I...I do like the way you in effect turn the other cheek when I attempt to stir you up...where did you learn that?
    Alex
     
  20. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Thank You Alex!

    This has nothing to do with you or anyone here...
    You have been great!!!

    But a few years ago I decided I would “attempt” to refuse to be offended. And I often fail at it, but at least I try. Perhaps it is a simple idea, but it helps me to have peace in my heart. It really means I am forced to forgive others immediately, on the spot. And when I am actually able to do that, I don’t have to think, and stew on it day after day. And of course, I absolutely 100% need forgiveness every single day myself from others around me! In case you haven’t noticed, I say stupid, even hurtful, things sometimes!

    Again, it has nothing to do with you or anyone here, because everyone here has been great!!! No one here needs to be forgiven by me for any personal offense in any way.

    I also understand how my faith appears to others, especially when so much evil and stupidity is performed under its name.

    And you know who my Boss is.
     
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    Nothingness is the absence of both light and dark, neither good nor evil.
     
  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    When the Sun sets in the saucer of milk the cat will sing to the cuckoo clock.
    Alex
     
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  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Attempt??? Try??? Don't build failure into your decisions with any concession that you will not succeed...do or die...

    Nevertheless you have made a good choice.

    I wonder if forgiveness is the word that fits the bill.
    I think to forgive someone they need to understand their wrong and seek forgiveness.
    I have thought long and hard as they say and feel "overlook" is the word most appropriate...it avoids judgement...thing only become a product of your judgement..most times you don't have call something good or bad ..it just is.
    That should stir up comment..it has in the past.

    And an approach that I build into the sort of situation that calls for overlooking the other person problem is to remember to some degree folk follow certain roles such if you find them insulting perhaps is to realise that it the way they follow their script..it's not personal as they would be insulting irrespective of who is before them and so you can realise it is nothing personal as you cope it simply because you are in front of them.
    Yes you will get the hurt inflicted by generalisation...if one is a con man they all are sort of thing...but how others view you I suspect that no you don't get that part... I regard you as perhaps decent but ignorant of the basics of evidence whereas I am confident you think you know what is evidence... As I said read Karl Popper in wiki and even say look up evidence in civil law as well as evidence in criminal law... You can't drop a bundle on the table and say here it is you must link this with that and that with this ...
    And I am not trying to put you down as I would not attempt to do that...I would like to see you grow and become better informed ...for your good.
    And what a wonderful thing to be able to do..educate yourself and pas on what you learn to your children so they meet the world knowing stuff at 18 that you are only now realising even exists.

    How nice to arm your children with an understanding of how evidence works or what science says or does not say so they won't be conned to take out a loan to finance some lieing scoundrel into his second or third jet so he can spread the word faster.

    Have a great day and learn one small fact about something of no interest or benefit to you each and every day.

    Sorry for breaking the rules and preaching I only wish to help.
    Alex
     

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