Does Chaos Theory prove a Mathematically Ordered Universe

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Well I don't know Tegmark and from the small sample of the sample of the scathing review I am unlikely to look any further in depth

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Then stop referring to authority to debunk Tegmark.
    Nothing you have shown me debunks Tegmark's mathematical universe. Talk about LEVELS does not have any bearing on the concept of a mathematical universe.
     
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    Logical conjunction

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    Definition

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    Truth table

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    Logic gate

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    Normal forms

    Disjunctive

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    Conjunctive

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    Zhegalkin polynomial

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    Post's lattices
    0-preserving yes
    1-preserving yes
    Monotone no
    Affine no



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    Venn diagram of

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    is true if and only if

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    is true and

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    is true.


    An operand of a conjunction is a conjunct.
     
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Blah blah blah

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  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ok then, if that's all it is to you......

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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The beauty and elegance of mathematics is evident in the transformation of a triangle, a pointy object with only straight lines, into a flower, a landscape, a galaxy, ART.

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    A Sierpinski gasket can be generated by a fractal tree.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal



    How a set of straight lines results in a curve.


    How a set of Ellipses form a Square


    Amazing how these patterns self-assemble as a result of regular motion. This is how it happens in nature, regardless if there is an observer.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Blah blah with pictures

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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This is a natural truth, regardless of observation.



    Nature never heard of Fibonacci, yet it uses the "golden ratio" all throughout the universe since the beginning as it is an evolutionary deterministic beneficial design.
     
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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I know, the abstract mathematical world is truly amazing. But then Mathematics is not a Conscious Intelligence or an Artificial Intelligence, but a Quasi-intelligent functional property of spacetime geometry.
    Spacetime

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    Artist concept of Gravity Probe B orbiting the Earth to measure space-time, a four-dimensional description of the universe including height, width, length, and time.
    .......
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
     
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  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    No no no no no no no..........

    The Universe is stuff

    Now we can LABEL stuff. Nice to LABEL stuff so we understand what stuff we are talking about
    LABELLING stuff is NOT anthropomorphising stuff

    Where you get into the anthropomorphising is when you give the Universe CHARACTERISTICS like QUASI-INTELLIGENT

    ***** The Universe*****

    It's non living stuff,
    it is bereft of life,
    life has never graced its firmament
    I wandered lonely as a cloud
    That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
    When all at once I saw a crowd,
    A host, of golden daffodils;
    Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
    Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.
    The Universe does not know of
    WILLIAM WORDSWORTH the poet
    IT KNOWS NOTHING
    O death, where is thy sting?
    O grave, where is thy victory? or
    John Donne
    IT KNOWS NOT OF LIFE AND ALSO
    NOT OF DEATH

    And it's not just sleepy

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Nice poems.

    But;
    No one claims that the universe is a living thing!

    Repeat;
    No one claims that the universe is a Living thing!

    Repeat;
    No one claims that the universe is a Living thing!

    Remember;
    No one claims that the universe is a Living thing!

    "Quasi Intelligent" does NOT mean a "Living Thing!

    Remember;
    No one claims that the universe is a Living thing!

    If you think someone is claiming that the Universe is a Living thing, you are wrong.......

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    Love the poems.....

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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    p.s. The universe IS a Dynamical system!

    Dynamical System
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_system

    "Dynamical system" does not mean "Living system", no, no, no, no, no, no.....

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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    p.p.s. Dynamical systems

    Bifurcation theory


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    Phase portrait showing saddle-node bifurcation
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcation_theory

    and the curious contradiction of ;

    Dimensionless physical constant
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensionless_physical_constant

    Note that BOTH interpretations and applications can be expressed as abstract measurable mathematically relational values! But how does it do that?
    Because Human Mathematics are the human symbolic interpretation and representation of Dimensionless Universal Constants. That is why human mathematics are effective and suggest an accurate interpretation of at least some measurable fundamental dimensionless properties associated with the Spacetime.

    E = Mc^2
    t = 0 ->

    T = 0
    For many mathematical thinkers the scientific articulation of t = 0 has significant implications for understanding evolution in a permittive condition, particularly the idea of a self-organizing evolutionary process in a chaotic dynamical system from the very subtle to gross expression in Reality.
     
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  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Your claim it is quasi intelliegent

    QUASI

    seemingly; apparently but not really.

    supposedly -seemingly - apparently
    allegedlyr- reportedly (and a few others)

    being: partly or almost

    partly - partially - in part

    Which quasi?

    Dare I say us Minions are intelliegent, but when talking about the Universe as the Universe we normally mean "a whole lot of stuff other than us"

    That whole lot of stuff other than us is not within a Planck distance of being intelliegent

    While in the area - it is not a arbitrary made up system (maths) Universe either

    pisssst - post 313 to long - skipped

    Currently I have other distractions

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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but needs not be alive to act (behave) in a quasi-intelligent manner.

    QUASI
    seemingly; apparently but not really... ✓
    supposedly -seemingly - apparently..... ✓
    allegedly- reportedly (and a few others)... That would be religious interpretation...
    being: partly or almost....................... ✓

    partly - partially - in part..................... ✓


    See above.
    Yes, stuff behaving in a regular (measurable) order, "AS IF" it were intelligent. (The original basis for Theism)
    But now we are talking about degrees of intelligent behaviors. i.e. (to name a few);
    a) unconscious quasi (proto) intelligence: as found in bacteria (quorum sensing), slime-mold (maze solving)
    b) subconscious homeostatic (control) intelligence: as found in flora (heliotropism), insects (hive mind), reptiles (heat sensing).
    c) self-conscious intelligence (agency): higher order mammals, octopus, cuttlefish. (complex problem solving)
    I agree, universal mathematics are not arbitrary, they are strictly relational. i.e. Constants (differential equations).
    Mathematical constant
    I might add: Chemistry, Minarology,

    Basic mathematical constants
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_constant

    The symbols used to identify Constants are arbitrary human inventions.
    The Constants themselves are universal quasi-intelligent mathematical Functions.

    IMO, a mathematical function is an autonomous quasi-intelligent function. It acts in a logical manner, but is not aware of this other than as a passive causal relationship (differential equations)

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    Schematic depiction of a function described metaphorically as a "machine" or "black box" that for each input yields a corresponding output
    in human symbolic terms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_(mathematics)#
     
  19. river

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    But it has life with in it .

    And life manipulates the fundamental elements of this Universe in order for Life to manifest .

    Minerals , how many minerals are in the your body in order for it to function normally ?

    Iron , potassium , boron

    16 minerals are needed for the Human Body to function normally .

    There are 16 essential minerals: calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sulfur, sodium, chloride, magnesium, iron, zinc, copper, manganese, iodine, and selenium, molybdenum, chromium, and fluoride. Minerals play important roles in maintaining blood pressure, fluid & electrolyte balance, and bone health; making new cells; delivering oxygen to cells; and contributing to normal muscle and nerve functioning. Minerals are widely distributed in foods, with specific minerals being found in certain foods. By eating a variety of nutrient-dense foods from the 5 food groups, you will have a mineral-rich diet.
     
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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    So does an aquarium...

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