Does time exist?

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Duration" and "history" are both euphamisms for time - for AGE not TIME

    properties of time - please name a single property of time

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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    A clock measures the value of arbitrary units which us Minions have determined

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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is boring.
    What you call age, the rest of us call time.
    A rose, by any other name...

    Name me three properties of age and I'll name you three properties of time.

    A difference without a difference is not a difference.
     
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Sure OK if general consensus

    Can't help if use definition in general consensus and not in more exacting form

    time
    \ˈtīm\
    noun
    • :thethingthatismeasuredasseconds,minutes,hours,days,years, etc.
    • :aparticularminuteorhourshownby aclock
    • :thetimein aparticularareaorpartof theworld
    FullDefinition
    • 1 a:themeasuredormeasurableperiodduringwhichanaction,process, orconditionexistsorcontinues:duration
      b:anonspatialcontinuumthatismeasuredintermsofeventswhichsucceedoneanotherfrompastthroughpresenttofuture
      c:leisure<timeforreading>
    • 2:thepointorperiodwhensomethingoccurs:occasion
    • 3 a:anappointed,fixed, orcustomarymomentorhourforsomethingtohappen,begin, or end<arrivedaheadoftime>
      b:anopportuneorsuitablemoment<decidedit wastimetoretire>—oftenusedin thephraseabouttime<abouttimefor achange>
    • 4 a:ahistoricalperiod:age
      b:adivisionofgeologicchronology
      c:conditionsatpresentor atsomespecifiedperiod—usuallyusedinplural<timesarehard><movewiththetimes>
      d:thepresenttime<issuesof thetime>
    • 5 a:lifetime
      b:aperiodofapprenticeship
      c:atermofmilitaryservice
      d:aprisonsentence
    • 6:season<veryhot forthistimeofyear>
    ETC

    age
    \ˈāj\
    noun
    • :theamountoftimeduringwhichapersonoranimalhaslived
    • :theamountoftimeduringwhichathinghasexisted
    • :thetimeoflifewhenapersondoessomethingorbecomeslegallyableto dosomething
    Both from Miriam Webster

    As you can see circular reference each other

    the thing - from the first definition - would you agree with MW time is a thing?

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  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    I don't play switch-a-roo

    It's OK if you don't have any properties of TIME to name

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  9. Oblivionspace Registered Member

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    A clock doesn't do anything but that of the practitioners given semantics , to record history .
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you do.
    This whole 'age not time' is a switcheroo.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Then why did you mention it?
     
  12. Oblivionspace Registered Member

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    To clarify specifics and educate people !

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  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    So you still don't have a single property of TIME let alone 3 ✓

    Side stepped



    Ummmm I wonder why

    Unable to understand the difference between AGE and TIME ✓

    Does not appear to understand circular referencing ✓

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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    My point was that you used 'history'to describe what a clock does. How can you define history without referring to time?
    So the statement 'there is no phenomena or entity of time' seems to be faulty.
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Stop talking about side stepping. You are the one avoiding the problematic issue. You've provided zero support for this 'age' thing.

    There's two issues here.

    1] What is time, if anything? Does it have properties?
    2] We should be talking about age instead.

    Let's set aside question 1 for a moment. Question 2 is no better than question 1, so it adds nothing to the discussion except to obfuscate it.
    If you object to question 1, you have no business raising question 2.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    What is time, if anything?

    Since my position is - TIME does not exist - I would have to go with - it is NOT anything

    I could work with, it is a CONCEPT, which has no physicality and is undetectable

    Does it have properties?

    Given your inability to produce one what do you think?

    AGE is a arbitrary measurement between two arbitrary NOWs

    Talking about AGE completed

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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I am OK with discussing what properties, if any, time has.

    Great. And what units are the measurements in?
    How can there can two 'now's? One of then is not 'now'; it;s 'then'.
    What units are this 'now' and this 'then' measured in?
    What stops them from occurring simultaneously?

    These are rhetorical questions; designed simply to show that age is every bit as problematic as time. So abstracting time to another level is simply obfuscation.

    Good. Back on topic.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, kind of like gravity. Or mass.

    Whether or not they have "physicality", all of them can certainly be measured.
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Great

    Give a TIME property to discuss

    And what units are the measurements in?

    Arbitrary units. Second, minutes, hours, years are common. None of which exist except as CONCEPTS but useful concepts for comparison purposes

    How can there can two 'now's?

    Really? I mean really?

    One NOW exist. It is marked and labelled. Stuff AGES. Another arbitrary NOW is marked and labelled

    Suprise suprise the arbitrary period between is given a arbitrary measurement called, suprise suprise, AGE

    Topic (AGE) completed (again)

    Get back to topic? Sure

    Does TIME exist is topic

    But answered

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  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Noooooooo

    all of them can certainly be measured

    so you missed where I stipulated

    CONCEPT, which has no physicality and is undetectable

    soooooo with gravity and mass being detectable puts those in the exist basket and nothing like TIME

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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    How do you detect gravity? You don't. You detect what masses do and call it gravity.
    How is that different from detecting time?
     
  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Inability to produce a property of TIME and continued asking for information off topic indicates no property of TIME exist

    Takes victory lap

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  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    OK, so Michael 345 has asserted that neither time, nor gravity nor mass exists.

    I guess all we have left is solopsism.
     
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