fox news yet again

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  1. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Old news dude.
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  5. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

    The thing about Fox is I wouldn't mind them being conservative right wing Republicans, such is their right, as ignorant as such views are, what I object to is how they insist upon beating their viewers over the head with their ideology. Can they not just once show even a shred of objectivity?
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  7. TJones1979 Registered Member

    One can only hope!
  8. Sorcerer Put a Spell on you Registered Senior Member

    They've identified their target audience and are going after it. It's called a business model.
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    It is one thing to push an ideology. It's another to misrepresent fiction as fact which is what Fox does every day.
  10. WillNever Valued Senior Member

    That interview was from last year and was covered already.
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    I take it calendars and math are not your strong points. It'S February. The story is 6 months old.
  12. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

    Speaking of out of date:

    Today on is a news article about a GAO report released yesterday, which the GAO head discussed before Congress today on the impacts of Obamacare, including the CBO analysis that it creates "a disincentive for people to work":

    CNN reported on it as well, but not on their main site (not an important story I guess):

    But also included on their main site an op-ed attacking a three year old piece of Republican spin on the issue from a three and a half year old report (that it "kills jobs"):

    Holy out of date strawman, Batman!

    I've been pretty fed-up with CNN's unabashed cheerleading of Obama's policies/messages over the past few months, particularly with story/op ed after story/op ed cheerleading Obama's inequality message without a hint of balance - it seems like they've ramped-up their liberal bias.

    Also on tap from CNN yesterday was this anti-GMO propaganda piece:

    This is why it is important to get your news from multiple sources, purposely including different biases.
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    Republicans such as yourself are pretty much upset with anyone or any organization who has the audacity to disagree with the Republican Party line. You want to talk about out of date, how about the Republican campaign against Obamacare? It's about 4 years out of date.

    Obamacare gives individuals greater freedoms. Individuals are no longer dependent on employers for healthcare coverage. That used to be an ideal Republicans championed. People are now free to start new businesses and new ventures. That is a good thing. Obamacare frees them from the bondage of healthcare insurance.

    It is important to get information from reliable and credible sources. It's important to get good and honest information. The number of sources isn't important. The quality, completeness, and veracity of the information what is important.
  14. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

    What I want is balanced treatment. I don't want either party line. That's why this bothers me: we're being fed Obama's line with no treatment of the other side at all.

    You're trying to paint this as an all Obama's side vs all Republican side conflict, but you're just not correct about what I want -- while you defend the all liberal bias angle.
    These stories are from the past two days and were not generated by Republicans, they were generated by the GAO. More to the point, you are mixing together two separate issues:
    -You're talking about the actions of republicans in government.
    -I'm talking about reporting by the news media.

    Whether the republicans are beating a dead horse or not, it would still be news (it isn't, though, so apparently they aren't right now).
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Perhaps you just need to read more of CNN and less of FOX. Top of CNN's Politics page:

    Congressman: Obama has a 'schizophrenic policy' on pot

    (CNN) - The President said he does not think marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol, according to a recent interview with The New Yorker.

    But when CNN asked him if he was willing to downgrade pot from a "Schedule One" narcotic, a category reserved for substances like heroin and LSD, Obama put the responsibility on Congress to make the move.

    But according the Drug Enforcement Administration's own website, the President's Attorney General has the authority to "remove any drug or other substance from the schedules," if he thinks it's been mislabeled.

    "This is a confusion, it's a schizophrenic policy as far as the federal government, along with state and local laws that are heading in opposite directions," Rep. John Mica, chairman of the House Government Operations Subcommittee, told CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper."
  16. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

    A few issues there you aren't understanding:
    1. That isn't a news article or op-ed, it is a blog teaser of a TV show.
    2. It is quoting a congressman (and Obama), not putting forward a 3rd party opinion. The 3rd party opinion CNN has in fact been hammering is the pot legalization message as well, so this isn't a good example topic for you, it is a good example topic for me. For example:
    3. Pointing out Obama's mixed message when Obama isn't moving fast enough in forwarding the favored liberal position is hardly a good argument for balance! If anything, it is nudging Obama in a direction he wants to go and helping him by hammering the position into its readers/viewers.
    4. You don't know me and comforting while it may be to believe I'm a blind Fox devotee, CNN is in fact the first news source I check in the morning and the one I spend the most time on. I used to spend most of my time on USA Today, but a website re-design a year or two ago made that site all but unreadable. It is unfortunate, because USA Today puts great effort into balance, clearly labeling its OP-Eds as "OUR VIEW:" and accompanying them with a guest-written "OPPOSING VIEW:". Switching to CNN as my primary source, I recognized their heavy-handedness and as a result felt I needed to look at every day to get the other side.
  17. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    What does “balanced treatment” mean to you exactly? Balanced treatment isn’t or shouldn’t be a get out jail pass for stupidity and unpopular ideology. Balanced treatment to Republicans too often means artificially balancing the scales with fiction. Life is not balanced. Politics is not balanced. Republicans have severe problems with their ideology. It is not CNN’s job to patch over holes and pitfalls in Republican ideology with fiction in order to balance the scales and make Republican ideology more appealing as Fox does.

    Additionally, the “party line” is part of the news. People need to know the Republican and Democratic positions on the issues. But news agencies cross the line when they become advocates for a particular ideology and actively seek to deceive their viewers/listeners. And no other news agency has crossed that line save one, and that one being Fox News.

    Is there a significant other party in American politics of which I am not aware? No, there are only two political parties of significance in the US. Obama leads the Democrats and Limbaugh leads Republicans. As for who I defend, I defend the side with the rational fact based agenda which will benefit most Americans. Right now, that is what the Democrats are offering. But that has not always been the case.

    Well yes those stories were generated by Republicans. The Congressional Budget Office, not the GAO, issued a report which contained a statement which Republicans immediately misrepresented (i.e. lied about).

    “This Non-Partisan Congressional Budget Office Report Confirms That ObamaCare Will Cost America 2 Million Jobs” - National Republican Congressional Committee

    This is what really happened;

    “The Affordable Care Act could reduce the labor force by the equivalent of 2.5 million workers in 2024, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office's annual outlook.

    That doesn't mean employers will start swinging the ax or even that that many jobs will be lost, CBO says. Rather, more people will likely opt to reduce their hours, or leave the workforce entirely, so they stay under the income caps for Medicaid and federal subsidies.

    "The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses' demand for labor," the report says. Therefore, it will more likely show up as a decline in share of the population participating in the labor force and in hours worked, rather than in spikes in unemployment or underemployment.

    While the CBO projects that the share of Americans in the labor force will decrease in coming years, Obamacare will not be the driving factor. A bigger reason is the aging of the nation. But Obamacare will contribute to this and to the economy falling "slightly short of its potential" between 2018 and 2024, according to the CBO.”

    I don’t want a news source that cannot be trusted. I, and I think most Americans, don’t have time or the will to listen to a news source that deliberately lies and misrepresents information (e.g. Fox News). Given Fox’s record, I just cannot believe anything they say without verification. So it is really a waste of time.

    Now if you want to restore “The Fairness Doctrine”, I am all there. The Fairness Doctrine required televised media to report honest, fair and contrasting views of major issues. It didn’t require balance. It required honesty and fairness. Republicans did away with the Fairness Doctrine in the 80’s which gave birth to Fox News and Republican talk radio. Republicans have steadfastly fought Democratic efforts to restore The Fairness Doctrine.

    Yeah Republicans have been beating a dead horse for many years now. Obamacare is the law of the land. It has been since March 2010, yet they are still beating that horse at every opportunity. How many times have House Republicans voted to repeal the law in the last year - 44 times and counting?
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2014
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

    It is somewhat amusing to hear you spin a CNN website headline entitled "Obama has a 'schizophrenic policy' on pot" as "being fed Obama's line with no treatment of the other side at all."
  19. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    That pretty much sums it up.

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