Gravity slows down time.

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by chinglu, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, you are as brain dead an idiot as everyone says you are.
     
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  3. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    What does a clock measure?

    What is 24 hours?
     
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  5. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    I am really having a difficult time getting you to understand that 24 hours on an earth based clock is one earth's rotation.

    Let's start simple.

    Is the statement above true or false?
     
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  7. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    Are you claiming clock A says .5 rotations of the earth and the other claims 1 rotation and this is irrelevant.

    How so?
     
  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You are an idiot.
     
  9. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    Do not be angry when your positions are proven to be false.

    Just go away and admit you do not understand.
     
  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    A complete and total smeghead.
     
  11. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    Then you confess your input is useless.
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Are you being willfully ignorant and obtuse, or is there some other problem?
     
  13. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    If they do not disagree on their position, then if two clocks agree they are on the surface of the earth, the earth does not "disagree with itself" about where the sun is. If the two clocks are in the same place, which is not the surface of the earth, then the problem changes significantly.
     
  14. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    You have the logic of the thread.

    Time for humans is connected to the earth rotation and orbit.

    That is a fact.

    So, you have failed to refute anything I have said in this thread.
     
  15. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    The 2 are on the surface.
     
  16. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    You tell me.
    Tell me how your argument about the earth's position/rotation relative to two clocks means SR is false.
    Your argument includes bringing clocks together. So if these two clocks aren't on the surface of the earth but are in the same rest frame, how do they manage to disagee on where anything else is?
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Our clocks are mechanically adjusted to align the passing of time with significant astronomical events, such as the time it takes Earth to revolve once on its axis, the time it takes the Moon to orbit the Earth, and the time it takes Earth to orbit the Sun....but the time that does pass with relation to the clocks, is independent from these astronomical events..
    It's as simple as that.
     
  18. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    One clock moves away from the surface and comes back time dilated.

    So, they are at the same place disagreeing on the position of the earth because of the different times on their clocks.

    it is that simple.
     
  19. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    Let's see.

    I remain on the earth.

    You travel very fast in the solar system.

    All the while, you agree with my view of the earth's position around the sun based on observations.

    You come back and claim the earth rotated .5 times, or 12 hours on your clock.

    I claim the earth rotated 1 time or 24 hours.

    Your observations also agree the earth rotated 1 time.

    But, your clock reads 12 hours and mine reads 24 hours.

    So, did you live 1 earth rotation as your observations show or did you live .5 earth rotations as your clock shows?

    You are caught in a contradiction.
     
  20. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    I have said they are at the same place on the surface.
     
  21. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    Let's see.

    I remain on the earth.

    You travel very fast in the solar system.

    All the while, you agree with my view of the earth's position around the sun based on observations.

    You come back and claim the earth rotated .5 times, or 12 hours on your clock.

    I claim the earth rotated 1 time or 24 hours.

    Your observations also agree the earth rotated 1 time.

    But, your clock reads 12 hours and mine reads 24 hours.

    So, did you live 1 earth rotation as your observations show or did you live .5 earth rotations as your clock shows?

    You are caught in a contradiction.
     
  22. Tach Banned Banned

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    No other problem, this is how he is.
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    NO!!!!
    You fail to see that whatever time has passed on the clock is independent of astronomical movements.
    The passing of time on the clock as well as my physical aging, depends on my FoR, not on what has happened in another FoR.
    I return to an Earth that has aged 24 hrs, while I have aged only 12 hrs, as my clock says.
    Are you being deliberately obtuse????
     

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