Hindu concept of God

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  1. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

    Hindu concept of God

    But first. What is the SCIENCE? Can someone clearly define what is THE SCIENCE?

    We know that Physics, Chemistry and Biology are Science. Which one of them is THE SCIENCE? Beats every scientist. Fact is none them is THE SCIENCE, but collectively they are manifestations of Science. Science is such a transcendent concept that the more we know about it, the more is found to be unknown, the more we try to define it, the less clear the definition. But the pure Sciences ie Physics, Chemistry and biology can be defined very, very clearly.

    Par Brahma is such a concept, and is Transcendent, exactly like the SCIENCE. But Brahma [apar], Vishnu and Shiva are Immanent manifestation of the ONE, exactly like Physics, Chemistry and Biology are of the SCIENCE. Each of them is Supreme in a certain context. Each of them supplements and compliments the others. None of them obstructs or works at cross purposes to the others.

    What about other fields of knowledge? Like geology, astronomy etc? Are they pure sciences? No. They are the sciences that study various natural phenomenon and natural forces. Their laws govern such forces. Each of these fields is true and supreme in its context. Astronomy is not useful in study of volcanoes, nor can climatology explain the black holes. But you do not hesitate to call them sciences [god] in relation to THE SCIENCE [God]. But you balk at my concept of Varun, Lord of Oceans and water bodies.

    Such concepts are given a name, like Varun, Pavan, Agni etc. They are called devas, mistakenly translated as gods.

    Take Varun. He governs waters. He works under a certain set of laws, which even he cannot violate. When Rama wanted to Reach Lanka, He was stopped by the wide sea. He prayed to Varun for passage, but was ignored. A golding ignoring the GOD!!. Finally, in anger, Rama declared that He would dry up the seas, and took out a mighty arrow. Then Varun, Ocean personified, came and bowed before Rama. Why he ignored Rama's prayers? Sire, he said, I could not accede to your demand without violating the charter promulgated by you. So why did he come now, was he afraid of Rama's might? Sire, Varun said, your action would have upset the balance of Nature. [Beware of irreversible ecological damages]. So what is the way out? Sire, Varun said, if you build a bridge across the sea, I promise to protect it.

    PS: What does bible say about angels? Were they created? If so, when?

    Rig Veda is clear. Devas were created AFTER the world was created.
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  3. kmguru Staff Member

    May be one should not take the story of Devas literally. They could mean symbolic to provide a base for a society. On the other hand, they could be exactly what the stories say they are - long long ago, far away place there lived an advanced civilization...

    Another alternative is a civilization right here on earth ~200 million years ago that lasted only 100,000 years...and asteroid happened...

    Without some physical proof, may be we should stick to the symbolism until proof comes.
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  5. Saint Valued Senior Member

    hinduism has many gods, and their gods have different sex, male and female,
    basically this just transform humans to be gods,
    purely superstition.
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. An older and closely related meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and rationally explained.

    Richard Feynman described science in the following way for his students: "The principle of science, the definition, almost, is the following: The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific 'truth'. But what is the source of knowledge? Where do the laws that are to be tested come from? Experiment, itself, helps to produce these laws, in the sense that it gives us hints. But also needed is imagination to create from these hints the great generalizations — to guess at the wonderful, simple, but very strange patterns beneath them all, and then to experiment to check again whether we have made the right guess." Feynman also observed, "...there is an expanding frontier of ignorance...things must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be corrected."

  8. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

    I would have defined "the science" as "The study of and knowledge about the causes, effects, correlations and features of observable phenomena"

    But deities as both existing, thinking beings AND a representation of natural forces simultaneously is not an unfamiliar concept.
  9. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

    Yet there is nothing for the Deity to do.
  10. drrsundarraj Registered Member

    This explanation is based on Brahmajnana, the supreme Hindu knowledge.
    According to Hinduism, god is isometric contraction/ relaxation of our skeletal muscular system as a single unit, that facilitates/ retards what we do. This is the supreme Hindu god Brahman.
    The Skeletal muscular system can contract as a single unit towards various points in the mid line of our body, resulting in seven basic Hindu gods.
    1. Feet - Indra - god of dreaming
    2. Knees - Shakti - god of illusion
    3. Hip - Brahma - god of creativity
    4. Abdomen - Vishnu - god of stability
    5. Chest - Shiva - god of determination
    6. Neck - Shani - god of status alteration
    7. Head - Yama - god of compulsion
    Thus, according to Hinduism, a thought has to go through seven stages to get converted into action. Yama favors action and Indra favors thinking. While Science divides mind into just two parts viz. Conscious mind and Sub conscious mind, Hinduism divides it into seven parts. Thus, Hindu knowledge of mind is far superior to that of science.

    1. The seven gods put together form the supreme Hindu god Brahman.
    2, In Brahman the facilitating and retarding forces never co exist, making both our activity and rest 100% efficient.
    3. It is Atheistic and thus neither forgiving nor rewarding.
    4. It is the god of people leading an ideal life and indicates in which direction every Hindu must proceed to make his life ideal.
    5. It is based on absolute and eternal facts and is directly compatible with science.
    In marked contrast to science, Brahmajnana takes everything into consideration, including long term consequences.
  11. superstring01 Moderator

    Hinduism isn't "standard". It varies greatly from region to region. That said, it is considered to have "one main god", Brahma, who takes the form of all other gods. It's not really a polytheistic faith. No more so than Christians and their "triune god" and the panoply of saints.

  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    "Supreme"? Specious claim.

    Is there any evidence for this?

    A claim is all well and good, but...

    Non-sequitur. It doesn't matter how many parts it divides thinking into: if it can't be shown to be correct it can't be superior.

    If it claims there are gods then by definition it's not atheistic.

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    No, it's based on claims.

  13. drrsundarraj Registered Member

    According to Hinduism,
    1. The facilitating force (Saguna Brahman) causes isometric contraction (hardening/ strengthening) of our skeletal muscular system and thus facilitates what we are doing.
    2. The retarding force (Nirguna Brahman) causes isometric relaxation (softening/ weakening) of our skeletal muscular system and thus retards what we are doing.
    The two forces can co exist in 7 distinct forms.
    In such co existence, the facilitating force symbolizes the god and its son. The retarding force symbolizes the goddess.
    Thus, there is no superstition in there being human like gods, goddesses and their children.
  14. drrsundarraj Registered Member

    As explained above Brahmajnana would take all options into consideration and thus it would be eternally correct.
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    So what? According to other systems Brahmajnana is wrong. Is there any evidence?

    What "other dimension"?


    No evidence for god either.

    Then don't spout nonsense.

    No it isn't.



    No it isn't.

    Can you show that there actually are "seven parts to our minds"?

    Hence: not atheistic.

    How do fictional characters do that?

    By definition it's not.

    Specious unsubstantiated crap.

    You haven't explained anything, just made unsupported claims.
  16. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    got any references for these absurd claims made in the name of vedic literature?
  17. drrsundarraj Registered Member

    During the Vedic period the concept of isometric contraction was not there. Therefore, there is no question of finding a mention of it in the Vedas. It is not mentioned even in the Grays' anatomy, the best book on human anatomy.
    In the Atharva Veda it is mentioned that all gods spring from the supreme god Brahman.
    It is well accepted fact that Brahman is not compatible with languages. Like Brahman, isometric contraction of our skeletal muscular system as a single unit too is not compatible with languages. Like Brahman, it unites every activity of our life. Thus, they may be the same.
    Saguna Brahman, Nirguna Brahman and the seven gods can be felt clearly by practicing a kind of meditation, which I wish to call Original meditation and I believe that it was the kind of meditation practiced during the Vedic period. Vedic people never gave a name to their meditation technique.
    It is just a set of isometric exercises.
  18. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    Then you are quite obviously grossly speculating in the name of vedic literature when you attribute terms (such as nir/sa/guna) to your claims.
  19. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

    drrsundarraj -

    Are you a Hindu?
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    In other words you're making things up.

    According to whom?

    Pure speculation.
  21. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

    OK, someone equated knowledge with sceince. What exactly is KNOWLEDGE. What are sources of knowledge and how can its truth be tested and validated?

    Frankly, the answers are HARD to come by.
  22. drrsundarraj Registered Member

    Yes, you are correct. I am speculating that Saguna Brahman and Nirguna Brahman are same as Isometric contraction and relaxation of our entire skeletal muscular system acting as a single unit. I have never claimed that it is mentioned any where.
    1. Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 1. 4. 10 says that 'I am Brahman'. We know that 'I' is directly under our control. We also know that our skeletal muscular system is the one and only system in our body that is under our control. We can't feel or control our Brain. Thus, we can conclude that 'I' must be something to do with our skeletal muscular system.
    2. Mandukya Upanishad 1.2 says, 'Self is Brahman'. Self is not under our control. Thus, 'Self'', like skeletal muscular system, can be involuntary.
    3. Mandukya Upanishad 3.1.1 compares Brahman to two birds of the same name, one eating fruits of divergent tastes (Saguna Brahman?) and the other just sitting (Nirguna Brahman?).
    4. Aitreya Upanishad 3.3 says, 'Consciousness is Brahman'. Consciousness can 't be due to isotonic contraction, that brings about movement. It must be isometric contraction only. Greater the isometric contraction greater would be our consciousness.
    From these we can easily conclude that in Hinduism Brahman is isometric contraction.
  23. drrsundarraj Registered Member

    The 'One main god' of Hinduism is Brahman and not Brahma.
    Brahman can't be equated to god of monotheistic religions because Brahman neither forgives nor rewards us. It is absolute fact and gives us just what we deserve. It is basically a god of people living under ideal conditions. It just indicates in what direction Hindus must move to make their life ideal.

    While all gods are manifestations of Brahman, all gods can't unite to form Brahman because there would be much overlapping. Brahman has Saguna (facilitating) force and Nirguna (retarding) force of equal magnitudes. However, in most Hindu gods the Saguna force is more. This is because most Hindus want their gods to make them materialistic. Thus, all Hindu gods can't merge to form Brahman because of the excess Saguna force. Thus, Monotheism is not encouraged in Hinduism.

    Thus, Hinduism is a polytheistic religion.

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