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Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by Benson, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Haha...there used to be a show, when I was a kid, called "The Price is Right" or something like that. On most game shows, of that era, if you won you won a trip to Hawaii, money, a car, etc. On the Price is Right you would win free laundry detergent for a year or something similar.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You lost to Trump already, after relegating everyone like me to the fringe, after ignoring every warning we handed you.

    You also lost to W twice, same way.

    It took a hurricane disaster, a badly lost war with atrocity photos, the collapse of the entire Western economy and debt burial of the average Republican voter, and Sara Palin, to avoid losing with the best candidate most voting Americans had ever seen - again, after relegating everyone like me to the inaudible fringe.

    Maybe it's time you fuckups tried something different.
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    You don't.
    And you - like the rest of your tribe - know only one way to post.
    The brown immigrant ones? Since hurricanes and Houston were invented. Hence the context of the "joke", which I hope you were just pretending to miss.
    I did. Your attempted "explanation" of how you came to laugh at that joke was ridiculous. Not just dishonest, but clownish - like a little kid inventing burglars to explain the missing cookies.
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    If you need somebody to explain to you why it's a mistake to allow the bad guys's propagandists to destroy the meanings of the words you need to describe what the bad guys are doing, I'm not the guy you want.
    The Democratic Party has no common ideology or unifying leader - too much variety in the ranks for any such label. There are even a few leftwing and liberal Democrats with influence in the Party - the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism.
    And as that is common knowledge, this is puzzling:
    Maybe an opportunity to repeat: "it's a mistake to allow the bad guys's propagandists to destroy the meanings of the words you need to describe what the bad guys are doing, - "
     
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  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    So you are the wingnut that you claim everyone else to be. You're one of those deplorables in flyover country. You don't work out of your basement do you? You work at Walmart.

    Finally the truth. Now that wasn't so hard was it?

    Let's hope that Mayor Pete gets elected and we can work on the new normal. You can calm down then and get back to Dungeons and Dragons.
     
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  7. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    I can relate. the wife put me on a special diet but she also eats the same diet, so it works out great for us both, except for the things like cake, cookies and such.
    I've told the wife and she's interested, so we're going to check it out. Thanks for the post!
    We used to love to watch certain shows (Jamie Oliver on the Naked Chef) but we don't get TV now and rarely watched it anyway, except the occasional Britbox show (Miss Marple, or Upstart Crow).
    LOL I remember the years supply of Rice-a-roni! but I don't remember which show it was... was that The Price is Right?

    isn't that still on the air?

    too right!

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    what makes you think someone else relegated you (and everyone like you) to the fringe?

    usually, that is something the individual does as a choice which allows others to either join or dismiss accordingly.
    if you're placed as such, it's your choice by deed and word. if you're ignored then perhaps it's your delivery and style (actually, no perhaps needed on that one).

    did I say "The brown immigrant ones"? nope. don't see that anywhere except in your quote and my inquiry here...

    I find it interesting that you would strike through the word "brown" as well. you're willing to post a racist joke but you can't own your own words? and all that after your own cries of racism and bigotry with a California joke?

    fascinating tactic.
     
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  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    It involved Bob Barker. So many of those old shows made comebacks, like Jeopardy. Actually I think it was "Truth or Consequences" and yes, you are right about the years supply of Rice-a Roni, the San Francisco treat.

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  9. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    I remember that. it was run on AFRTS
     
  10. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I remember. Roast parsnips and Yorkshire pud wrapped in miles of tin-foil. He was funny back then. When he took on the school lunches, not so much. I mean, good idea - just, the wrong sort of recipes.(Plus, he got all middle-aged and pudgy.)
    Hm. Looks a bit like Blackadder; wonder if Prime has it.
     
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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Observation of the public discussion. Counting heads on TV.

    The well paid and ubiquitously encountered hired punditry is overwhelmingly rightwing and authoritarian, a full range of them including extremists and wingnuts and utter incompetents with major roles and solidly supported jobs, while the leftwing libertarian viewpoints are found almost entirely on the poorly paid fringes and in temporary appearances only, represented by a narrow range of centrist and supremely competent individuals hanging on to jobs that barely exist.
    Uh, no, that's quite stupid. Nobody hires themselves for millions to be David Brooks, first tier hack columnist for life at the NYT via the National Review; nobody chooses to not pay themselves 3/4 million a year to be second tier hack Chuck Todd holding down a prime time pundit job on major network TV; nobody rejects major influence and the big easy money available to the likes of crackpot Hugh Hewitt or plagiarist Ben Shapiro to be first tier and original thinker Charlie Pierce scrabbling for their payday on the subscription blog roll of Esquire magazine, where they have to write their own books and sell them one at a time to actual readers.
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    Pee Wee Herman will never die.
    Words - do they ever mean anything?
    Btw: you do realize that by now, after a dozen or more idiotic misses like that, you can't dig out even by guessing right, right?

    Because being always wrong throughout your pages and pages of attempted personal insult and stereotypification - without exception, so far - isn't the problem with you guys. That's just a minor consequence of my own little setup for my own entertainment when dealing with the sewage aimed at me (and reassurance that I nailed the description and classification of your posting - by their folly shalt thou know them, a tree is known by its fruit, always reality check, etc).

    The problem is the bandarlog approach in the first place, to all issues here
    - misrepresent, assume the misrepresentation as an initial basis for personal attack, abandon all issues of content etc and focus on personal attacks in a chorus of stupid and preening and shitheap toupee@ modification; "We all say so, so it must be true", as Kipling put it. It's not a good fit for a discussion or science forum populated by grownups, and it won't become a good fit via improvements in the accuracy of the guesswork.

    It's not that you're wrong - it's that you're doing the wrong thing. That simple, supported, and wholly accurate critique of the California joke didn't get three seconds of fairminded attention from any of you. Neither did the issue raised by the OP, in the middle of the Republican erosion of American science.
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    You just laughed at the wrong "joke", and realized too late what that revealed. Poe's Law, from my pov.
    The ridiculous dishonesty of what you did say, your explanation of that joke, was dealt with above. Reread, if actually curious.
    (Was that the fourth, or was it the fifth, lame-ass explanation of a joke from you guys? You know, what I was supposed to have posted but hadn't - - - )
    My "cries" of "racism" over the California joke - - - - hoo boy.

    Maybe he thinks everybody has the same problems remembering and fact checking, or reading and comprehending, as the Republican propaganda parrots. Maybe he thinks I think striking through a word hides it. Maybe he thinks he can cover his ass for laughing at the Poe's Law "joke" by pulling a Pee Wee Herman routine. Maybe it's a Freudian Slip triggered by the mental shadow of his laughter at the Poe's Law "joke".

    Or maybe he's just lying, deliberately misrepresenting the post in preparation for another round of personal attack, the standard tactic described months and years ago - the only way (besides the one line innuendo) these clowns know how to reply to anything I post. That's my bet.

    How about it, Xelasnave - you must remember the California joke discussion, a brief but genuine - even OP relevant - discussion posted here:

    you still taking these guys seriously?
     
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  12. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    I watched it on Britbox, but I did find a link on Amazon prime (I assumed that was what you meant by Prime)
    https://www.amazon.com/Upstart-Crow-Season-1/dp/B01H4HDWMY


    Yeah. I haven't seen him for years though.
    I didn't hear about this one... yeah, definitely the wrong sort.

    More fun shows: WILTY (Would I Lie To You) and QI.
    I kinda wish they had 8 out of 10 Cats Does Countdown too because it can be a laugh. I watch the clips on youboob when I get bored or Ice decides to meltdown in a humour thread. or any thread.

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    or - you are a racist and you think everyone else is also while ignoring the fact that people can laugh at jokes for different reasons, especially if they've actually been to a place like Houston and developed a feeling of distaste for the place.

    just because you think a certain way doesn't mean everyone else does, nor does it mean everyone else must be as racist as you.
    as for the "Poe's law" lie - you keep telling yourself that one and one day you'll believe it.

    I stand corrected: your cries of bigotry over the Cali joke, not racism

    your racism cries were your own with the Houston joke which you belatedly excuse with "Poe's law" claims

    maybe I should claim Poe's law for my mistakes like you do?

    you mean like your comment here?
    I hadn't realised you're a Republican propaganda parrot

    Or maybe you were just lying, deliberately misrepresenting in preparation for another round of personal attack, the standard tactic described months and years ago - the only way you clowns know how to reply to anything?

    Carry on with your propaganda - The ridiculous dishonesty of what you did say, your BS explanation, was dealt with already. Reread, if actually curious.
     
  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Bitterness doesn't generally pay well. No one gets paid well without putting themselves in the right places to succeed. There is luck involved as well, for anyone.

    Your guy is original and Chuck Todd is a hack? Your guy can't get paid and Chuck Todd gets paid well though no effort of his own?

    You aren't even rational.
     
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    Not as good as Blackadder (series 2 to 4, 'cos series 1 is somewhat different) but humourous enough if not expecting too much.
    And David Mitchell is always worth a watch.


    Anyhoo - is this thread still actually about humour, or is it only coincidental that it continues to be so funny?

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  15. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    You can't get much funnier than Blackadder - unless you prefer ultra-sanitary jokes.
    Some people are fastidious and choose their laughs with same care as their avocados.
    Why give them a hard time? I'm just glad I don't have to live in such thin skin.
     
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    I am waiting for this crossover:
     
  17. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    A mention definitely needs to go to the boys from the Dwarf...
    Some random highlights...
     
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  18. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    It was all right. I think I saw it too late in life to appreciate fully.
     
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  19. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    I pert near forgot the Dwarf, and just after I watched an episode last week to boot! Thanks for the reminder.
    I did like the earlier episodes more than the last year or so
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The misrepresentation and pivot to dishonest personal attack in one step, featuring the wingnut bullshit-flag "if".

    They do it so automatically, so reflexively, and so frequently they get a pass - as if such an approach were part of whatever discussion they appeared in. It's a norm, conventionally equivalent to genuine intellectual or analytical contribution from any other faction.

    But even from that shit some good may emerge - such as a name for a nameless category of wingnut posting:
    The PeeWee response - I had been looking for a label for that one. "Playground" didn't seem to cover the context - despite some extra clarity in keeping the attempted direction of bullying and power/amplification straight under the sewage barrage to come.

    Followed by the subsequent observation (also "belated", since it also observes subsequent posts rather than traveling in time or engaging in remarkable feats of anticipation): the only racism necessarily involved is in finding the "joke" funny rather than a mildly wince-inducing illustrative send-up.

    Hence the miscalculated teaching moment value, mea culpa - overlooked Poe's Law. Should have taken warning from the dead-ball of post 32, belated though that would have been.

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    It never was. That deflection didn't take, completely.

    Try addressing the main issues raised by the OP - you don't have to credit me or my several attempts here, I measure success differently: they are interesting - blaze a trail.

    If you can.
     
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  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Here's the same approach from another of the Tribe, or "strategy" if awareness be assumed (despite the concurrent assumptions of character necessarily correlative) built on the Fox Question tactic:
    It pays rightwing corporate shills and media minions six figure salaries and sinecure jobs and protection from the law and seats on the Federal bench.

    "Bitter" being - as always with the Tribe's misusage of English words - a current R media feed term for the parrots to use when slandering anyone publicly denigrating the Republican Party (my actual posting mood after #32 is contempt, actual content simply memory and observation) .

    Neither the well supported contempt, or the reason and evidence that supports it, will be acknowledged until the Republican media feed has given its parrots permission and updated usage templates - like this, for "bitter" (and yes, much earlier examples are available for the uninformed but curious and energetic): https://www.newsweek.com/hannity-wa...ueller-trump-obstruction-talk-forever-1417413

    Meanwhile, the alert will have spotted a couple of entry holes - sufficient to assess a poster's good faith and honest comprehension - such as this:
    That being (again, if alert) my point almost exactly (I would swap out "no one" for "few", mutatis mutandus) - lacking only a reality based description of "the right places", a solid conception of what "to succeed" means, and an acknowledgment that the Bayesian estimated chances of being lucky are much greater for rightwing shills and hacks and slanderers and bullshitters and torturers and racial whackos and economic whackos and religious whackos and imperialist whackos and Waco whackos and willing marketers of tax cuts for the rich at any cost (even loss of a war, loss of prosperity, loss of fertile and healthy landscape, loss of just rule of law, loss of kin and country). They're all over the media, in well-paid jobs with all but lifetime economic security.

    The comparative careers of Megan Kelly, Ann Coulter, Jeanine Pirro, Kelly-Anne Conway, Ivanka Trump, Samantha Bee, Rachel Maddow,and the Dixie Chicks, might provide starting material for that likely fruitful discussion. If such a lineup daunts, one could wet a toe comparing the careers, achievements, and successes, of Alan Page, Clarence Thomas, and Brett Kavanaugh.

    The seekers of simple and accessible media-focused comparisons of people as directly opposed and simultaneously comparable as possible (by a competent netsearcher) can try comparing Thom Hartmann and Rush Limbaugh from a "success" angle - including, of course, what they were each successful at.

    The seekers of honest entertainment value rather than the rewards of long diligence (raises hand) can spend a weekend with Robert Townsend's still immediately relevant and currently available "Up The Organization" and - then, followed by - Malcolm Gladwell's "Outliers" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3228917-outliers and - then, followed by - Michael Lewis's "Moneyball", the later editions with the afterwords.

    Two observations:
    1) an off the cuff list of comparisons like that would have been much more difficult if confined to success via original overt humor only - all but missing entire "sides", such as rightwing female humor.
    2) A political faction based taxonomy of "success" will probably be a muddle - different fields and different measures have wildly different political representations among the "successful".
    Oddly enough, Hollywood does not seem to be one of them, and neither does mass market music - the movies feature great diversity of private political opinion and expression on screen, even though the general pattern of bigger money to the friends of the corporate right and their interests/obsessions seems to hold (often most clearly visible in book adaptations, such as the excision of Philip K Dick's environmental concerns from the story that became "Blade Runner", or the passing flinch treatment of Mario Puzo's brief but highlighted digressions into the effects of poorly governed capitalism on society and prosperity in the books that became the Godfather movies. Book movies significantly more leftwing than the original books seem to be all but absent from the screen).
    My guess is that reflects not only the reliance of Hollywood and mass market musical achievement on genuine artistic ability with its various and mutually conflicting measures of "success", but the necessity of publicly acknowledging it to avoid audience erosion. Cautions there include the treatment of the black and Jewish geniuses behind a large fraction of American music, which is not buried in the past yet, and the occasionally displayed willingness to take even a large (but presumably temporary) economic loss as the price of destroying stage careers that threaten the moneybags.
     
  22. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    I think it was good until the last year or so ... And I loved the idea

    to quote Baldeee
    "Anyhoo - is this thread still actually about humour, or is it only coincidental that it continues to be so funny?

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  23. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

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    It’s pretty hilarious for sure

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