In defence of space aliens

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    What? Are you talking to the air or what? High on weed? Nothing you write there makes any coherent sense. Get a grip on yourself. If you want to make a detailed critique that actually connects sensibly to and between events or alleged events, I might take notice. Above rubbish makes that a dim prospect.
     
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  3. river

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    Anyway the facts speak the truth .
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So no denial or counter then.

    Points, for having the grace not to pretend you didn't just make up that whole speech and try to stuff it in the mouths of others.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed. A lack of facts certainly points to a strong likelihood.
     
  8. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    What speech? You are still raving. Or are you pretending to not understand rhetorical language? Particularly with humorous intent. Parody etc. Then check item 4 under Top Rhetorical Devices here:
    https://www.thoughtco.com/rhetorical-devices-4169905
    But I doubt you are that uneducated. Just being silly and somewhat desperate. Your response to that quoted in #4220 is void of any substance, as is #4223.
    What it shows clearly is you have no real counterarguments. But the sarcastic tone implies you actually believe the official inversion layer spiel. Even after it has been torn to shreds. Sigh.
     
  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    What facts? Have you any physical evidence to validate probably the greatest question ever asked by mankind? No you have nothing but an overactive, rather child like imagination.
    There is nothing more important to me then to have this question answered with utmost confidence by most scientists, before I kick the bucket. And I'm sure if it is answered, it will be in the affirmative, but as yet we simply do not have the required extraordinary evidence to support any ETL/time traveller/inter dimensional being, ever having visited Earth, and as yet we have no extraordinary evidence of any ETL off the Earth anywhere.

    What are you saying Q-reeus?
    Are you saying with absolute confidence that we have been visited by Aliens? Inter dimensional beings?
    Or are you simply saying that the prospect of any visitation is possible?
    If you are claiming the latter, then I believe near everyone of the forum members would agree with you.
    It rests on the Sagan statement " Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
     
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  11. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Just what I've consistently maintained here. We have been and continue to be toyed with by one or more intelligences wielding extraordinary powers that appear magical to us, a la Arthur C Clarke's famous line. UFO's being merely one mode of such toying. Beyond that to me obvious finding, there is nothing more we can ascertain about their true agenda(s) etc. They choose to keep that to themselves. Interactions appear to range from benevolent to outright malevolent, and everything in between. Confusing but that's what imo the totality of evidence points to.
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    So are you saying that there is no doubt we have been visited?
    But 95% have been explained by mundane occurrences.
    So, you say that they just chose to be mysterious, shady, and creepy in advertising their presence and that we have no reason to question why?
    Again I do question why seemingly intelligent creatures, need to continually pop in and pop out again, over a period of a hundred years or so, not recognising that they are/were dealing with other intelligent entities [obviously less intelligent then the aliens] but obviously far more then ants on a hill [wasn't that comparison used by Clarke] and never making their visits official?
    One could ask, are they, all of the same species?

    No thank you, as much as I am desperate to have ETL validated, I want mankind's greatest question validated with certainty and extraordinary evidence.
    Why do the people/scientists of SETI not accept MR's many "compelling" cases? Why do not the bulk of other scientists not accept what you say is compelling evidence?
     
  13. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    I'm saying it's clear we have been interacted with by higher intelligences that may have been here far longer than humans as a species have. Necessarily speculative with no way to know for sure.
    The actual unexplained % figure may be considerably higher but regardless there is no argument the majority of sightings/reports have a mundane explanation. A given.
    No I deduce we have no way of answering certain questions about their origins, agendas, codes of behavior, organization etc. etc. Purely on the basis of accumulated observations, it's clear to me they have no intentions and certainly no need to convey such details to mere humans.
    Actions that seem weird to us presumably make perfect sense to them.
    'Love and deep concern about wayward humanity' messages 'contactees' often report are either attention-seeking by such 'contactees' or generic deceptive spiel by the entities imo.
    See above.
    Unknown, but to me a single species exhibiting diverse masquerading behavior seems more plausible than postulating some diverse menagerie of beings. Again, necessarily speculative.
    People including competent professionals get trapped into various schools of thought that ossify and encourage self-censorship and conformity among their adherents. Human nature. The much touted openness of science to new ideas is only partly true in practice. There are various books written by non-cranks on that subject.

    Are we done on philosophizing? If e.g. the fine details of Washington DC Flap events of 52, or more recent Naval encounters of 2004/20014-15 leaves you cold, fine.
    Again - I'm not interested in trying to convince let alone convert others to see it my way. Cheers.
     
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  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I have seen reports over the last couple of years that we should have the required extraordinary evidence within the next decade or so...at least evidence to validate the most basic forms of life off this planet.
     
  15. river

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    Yet these craft and experiences by people on this planet happen anyway .

    That is your conundrum . And really all those that have doubts that advanced beings exist. More advanced than we are .
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, I recognise all types of craft...planes, buses, cars, ships, etc etc
    We have no evidence of any life anywhere off the Earth, let alone having visited Earth.
    And that fact will remain so, and as is, until, and if we find any evidence of any life form off this planet. Until that happens, you own the conundrum

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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You've got it backwards.
    They're not bona fide until they're bona fide.

    As always: show us the evidence.
    Even though there is evidence of unknown aerial phenomena (no one would argue otherwise), there is no evidence (just conjecture and hypothesis) that these are due to advanced technology - let alone aliens.

    So, no conundrum here. Just some onus-reversing there.
     
  18. river

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    No you have it backwards .

    The evidence is from military if nothing else .
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Nup, nothing more then a small number of unexplained UFO sightings....NB: Unexplained does not equate to Aliens, unless you are gullible.
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No evidence.
    There is evidence of unexplained phenomena, but there is no evidence of its origin as either advanced technology or aliens.

    What you're calling evidence is actually hearsay.
     
  21. river

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    Do you really think so ? Do really think that military evidence , experience is hearsay ?
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Unless you can produce it, you're simply going on what you've heard from people making statements that they can't back up with evidence.

    You can choose to believe what you're heard from other people, but that does not constitute evidence; it constitutes hearsay.
     
  23. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Untrue.

     
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