Is Amazon delivering for everyone now?

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by Seattle, Jul 24, 2019.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    like employer tax rebates and farm subsidies for low paid agricultural workers on government planned ahead work visas ?

    ummm... ?

    un planned business work visas for un planed registered low wage unplanned visa working planned un planned economics ?

    huh ?

    its all just pot luck
    lucky the low wage workers even turn up for work.
    what happens when they dont turn up for work ?
    is that called an unlucky unplanned business day ?

    what is unplanned lack of planned un planned business confidence ?
    like in a non planning un planned manner...

    all those farm loans with no financial planning ?
    your an X _anker ?

    did you give many loans to people who said they didn't plan any business turn over ?

    ... "show us your business plan for the 2 million dollar loan you applied for?"
    "oh we cant plan economics so we didn't do one"

    uh huh ...

    Risk assessment of un planned economics ...
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    What is/was your job?
     
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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    you asking me how big my penis is ?

    you decried yourself as a banker and so having better merit to debate economics from a position of intellectual superiority.
    you even went so far as to start a separate thread about it to try and crystallize the form of forced normalization of discovery as compulsory private information exposure.

    is that how you treated your private banking clients ?


    pop science cajoling of social group compliance metaphors ... bit cheap n nasty isn't it.

    yet you do not post any actual knowledge
    you just make statements with no reasoning or thinking behind them & no links to any exterior content that has explanations(which might save you a lot of typing on more technical aspects of economics and business)

    you seem to give a subtext of attempted superiority as an ego contest rather than discussing the technical dynamics.

    you could just post a link and make a short comment
    but you don't
    you swing back to the "what is your penis" question

    just get right into the subject "economics"
    have at it !

    simply state the principal that your referring to
    post a link
    and wham ! we can get on with debating the economics

    your alt-right dog-whistle sounding comment about migrant workers being the self victimization of low wage rates inflicting their low skills on society is a bit loony fringe in my opinion
    more so when you assign that to "un planned economics" which is not related to agricultural work and agricultural work visas.
    the banks want plans from the farm
    the government wants plans from the farm about the work visas
    the associated regulatory agencies want licenses and health and safety protections and such like planned ahead for those workers and crops and machinery etc....
    insurance
    liability insurance
    contingency plans
    business continuity plans
    escalation chart planning for sick or inured workers and plant break down.
    more plans than a planning office.

    i had my rant about your nonsensical sounding statement and alt-right leaning low wage market quip(it was a bit of a laugh i was hoping to keep it funny while making a point... but your playing dumb)
    playing the "how big is your penis game" when being asked to step up to the debating table and discuss economics.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure you are capable of having a discussion. I'm certainly not going to get sucked into a debate. I've seen you guys "debate" for months on end, never getting anywhere and show no comprehension of the issue at hand.

    I'm also not going to trade "links" for what should be common knowledge if you are familiar with economics in the least.

    No one is arguing about rules/regulations and any "planning" that entails. The market itself is a "free" market as opposed to a "planned" economy. Supply and demand being the drivers.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    A side issue:
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    Amazon is approaching - may have passed, by now - the level of market domination that is technically or normally labeled "monopoly" or "monopsony", in standard economic theory. Microsoft passed it long ago - ten or fifteen years before you posted the claim here that there were no "tech" monopolies.

    And that's not what a "natural monopoly" is, in standard economic theory. Natural monopolies are quite different. In particular, they are not usually temporary. (That's important, because it establishes the need for government regulation). You can read about them in the later chapters of your Econ textbook - which you should do, before making further attempts to "educate" me. Here's a link for you: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/natural_monopoly.asp
    In the US economy, whether people can "afford" to keep their jobs is not the important factor.
    If you are counting on only transient workers taking those jobs in the US, you will have to find some way of reserving them - "the market" won't do that for you. People have to pay rent.
    And in bubbleboy world, being sure of something makes it come true.
    But carry on - the ability of the bothsides crowd to maintain even the stupidest of delusions in the face of all conflicting evidence is worth displaying. Nobody would believe my accounts of these "arguments" if I couldn't quote.
     
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  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    No one believes your accounts in the first place. You are arguing to an audience of one.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    My "accounts"?
    (Wonder what he's talking about this time - - - - there's not much for "accounts" in those posts)

    But then again, it doesn't matter with these guys: No one "believes" me is the point, whatever it was I am supposed to have said, and that, in the bubble world, makes whatever I am supposed to have said wrong - - - just as labeling it "hysterical" and "obsessed" and so forth makes it wrong, just as all the personal attacks these guys make are supposed to reflect on the content of posts they otherwise cannot deal with - - -

    - - - so one thing I've posted is not wrong: my reference to the Bandar-Log as a fitting term for those dwelling in Republican bubbleworld. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar-log

    Meanwhile, is this one of the things "nobody believes"? :
    Because it's kind of central to your proposed economic policies. And there's all this - you know - evidence and like that, facts and stuff, I'm sure you've heard of such things - - - indicating that lots of people are trying to support households by working at those jobs - even at Amazon.
     
  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    A lot of people retired early working at Amazon. I know a secretary who retired a millionaire. No everyone works in a warehouse.

    You guys are looking for problems that don't exist. Maybe it's time for a move out of the corn belt, through the rust belt and out into the land of sunshine and honey?
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    you only want people to cheer lead your personal self interest in kissing amazons ass ?


    already there.
    now the greedy sharks are chasing them for a pint of blood and the regulators and alt-right politicians are sitting on their hands playing dumb.

    the class action suits for workers rights was the banner waiving event to show they had lost control of their company.

    the regulators should have stepped in then and worked with them publicly to make a public show of what type of culture they wish to offer products to and trade with.
    but when you sit that next to machine guns for sale as an ideology...
    its a dog chasing its tail

    is run by large automated machines with GPS & onboard computers which practically drive themselves.
    grain(including corn) growing has almost no employment at all.
    you seem quite ignorant.
     
  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You are ignorant. There is nothing in my post implying that the jobs were in the corn belt. Communicate and comprehension are where you need to devote your spare time.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So?
    Likewise with Microsoft. Famous for it.
    Making some people rich is not exactly a hidden or subtle feature of such operations.
    Wage stagnation does not exist? The increase in economic inequality - now at levels unseen in the US since the 1920s - does not exist? The hollowing of small town economies on a continental scale, the transfer of their accumulated wealth and future productivity to a small number of distant locations, does not happen?
    Or maybe these aren't problems, from a certain perspective.
     
  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't think you were in favor of accumulated wealth.

    Small towns will always have small town jobs. Those don't go anywhere. When small towns grow too large for their jobs potential, it's time to move. That small town has gotten too large for it's resources.
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    They know no other way to post. Seriously - that's all they know how to do.
    Jobs have to "go somewhere" to be worth a living wage - got it.

    The excessive growth of small towns is the problem with them - they get too big for their resources. Got it.

    And small town jobs are naturally unfit for supporting households. Anyone who wants to support a family will just have to move to wherever the going somewhere jobs went when the big town corporations set up shop in that somewhere - small town schoolteachers, doctors, lawyers, plumbers, carpenters, machinists, etc, are transients, and can expect to earn transient's income.

    So the hollowing out of the town economies throughout America by these incoming monopoly/monopsony corporations is just capitalism as it will - and therefore should - operate. A prosperous and growing small town is the natural prey of a successful corporation.

    Got it.

    But - not to object to such a well-informed display of economic understanding - wasn't the original problem that the small towns were being shrunk by predatory capitalism? That they were being made smaller, to fit the newly shrunken resources left over after some large corporation drained their former wealth to some distant locale?

    That is: in US small towns, outgrowing their resources has not been their central problem these past forty years or so - rather, having their resources depleted to the point that they must shrink, even disappear, has been the major complaint.

    In reality, that is - I don't mean to contradict anyone's understanding of economics.
     
  17. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Where is the economy doing better than in the U.S.? Give me an example of a economy/country that is more favorable to your way of thinking.
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No idea. I'm more interested in how people are doing, economically, than how "the economy" is doing. I'm not even sure what people who talk about "the economy" are talking about, actually - often they aren't making sense, so I suspect they don't know either.

    Bums in the parks of France get better medical care than most Americans, because most Americans can't afford France's standard of medical care. So maybe France would be one place where people are doing better economically than Americans are doing, in general. They can afford to go to the doctor when they get sick or injured, and they get First World standard care when they do, so that's a sign of economic wellbeing, no?

    Depends on one's criteria, maybe.
     
  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, I'd pass on France although I'm not fan of our medical care system. Who was the last U.S. President who was a flag waving union man by the way, speaking of past history?

    Do you consider that most Americans aren't doing well compared to most citizens in other countries around the world? I agree our medical system is an embarrassment.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Most French are doing better, economically, than most Americans. Whether the French "economy" is doing better I don't know. I do know the US has built up another debt bubble, so even the dubious appearance of prosperity is probably illusion - the Crash will drop it lower than W's, for all but the very rich.
    (Why do they ask questions like that?)
    From this, which turned out to be too easy
    To this:
    Kind of obvious, by now.
    Wrong thread.
     
  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    One thing a union, generally won't do is innovate. How long has the USPS been around? Did service ever get better on its own? Now with more competition its gotten a lot better but it's still not as innovative as Amazon.

    I haven't had Prime in the past. One annoying thing is when you quality for free shipping and don't accept their offer of a Prime trial, things don't get shipped very quickly.

    It's still delivered quickly after it's shipped but they seem to slow walk the shipping so that you will think twice before turning down a Prime trial.

    I recently placed an order and qualified for free shipping. Two days later and they still hadn't shipped so I cancelled the order. That was no problem and it was immediate. I then reordered the item and accepted a free Prime trial and the item was shipped right away and I received it a day later.

    One thing I hadn't noticed before is that when you click on the internal Amazon tracking number (as opposed to USPS) in addition to showing what day it should arrive, it shows a map and on the day it is to be delivered if you look at that map it shows something like "4 more deliveries before your delivery".

    Once your item is delivered, in an inset of the map, there is a photo of the package on your front porch. With a union, that can of continual striving to improve just doesn't seem to happen.

    I will cancel the free Prime trial before I have to start paying however.
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    ?

    you are using an american word ?

    you dont mean an employment union ?
    they innovate all the time by asserting new laws to apply greater profit & protection for their members
    some dont like the fair market idea of a union seeking to increase profits for workers...(anti-capitalists)
    some hopeless lawyers who probably dont actually care about their clients probably wont innovate.


    american unions have been under sustained attack from both sides of the house special interest elitists for some decades now.

    the actors union has been used for media purposes to propose a liberal ideological non financially based public perception of unions to disenfranchise the public from a moral concept of workers protections from abuse and dangerous work places.
    The Actors union has been promoted by the anti-unionists to be a liberal life style choice voice of pro immorality... now look at all the actors promoting human rights and look at who is against them and calling them out and hating on them...
    same/same same people making the same message labeling free speech and human rights as the enemy of capitalism trying to define actors as being anti-capitalist for being pro human rights.

    it is only the fact that ambulance chasing lawyers have worked pro-bono while getting free media coverage to that has moved companys to adopt changes in human rights and challenging abusive and dangerous work places and work cultures.

    outsourcing of american jobs to 3rd world countrys where there are no workers rights is the choice many big companys have taken to prevent them from having to evolve with their customer morality.

    now further down the road the trade war and trade imbalance is what it has created.

    it would be well justified to clearly state that unions have been innovating to try and prevent outsourcing of american jobs and in so preventing the current trade, surplus & currency war going on between china & the usa and UK and the EU.

    however, there is more liars and idiots than clear informed voices on the subject(as usual).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_and_monetary_union#List_of_Economic_and_Monetary_Unions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_union#List_of_economic_unions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_restriction

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union

    ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coop
    ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

    if we are talking dates & figs, we need to make sure we are not pointing at the apples and oranges while calling them water mellons

    ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_union
    ?
    your union will be the death of you ...
    sign me up for a corpse bride

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  23. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    There is a USPS union but Amazon is doing a better job. Innovating for their members isn't "innovating" from the point of view of a consumer. Consumers pay the bills.
     

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