Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    A Roomba does not eat "pure electricity." It uses a current flow to cause chemical reactions within its lithium-ion battery; these reactions store current flow as potential energy. Again, very much like photosynthesis. This is nothing new.
    Not at all. They are reporting that bacteria have found a way to use current flow to synthesize carbohydrates - just as many other organisms use photons to generate current flow to synthesize carbohydrates, and just as many other chemical processes use electricity to create new compounds. This is well understood. Scientists understand it. Chemists understand it. Biologists understand it. The only person who doesn't understand it, and seems to think it is some sort of never before seen miracle, is you.
    Right! And when the Flash gets hit with the Speed Force he goes faster! Are you going to base your next "scientific claim" on that?
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This is not what happens according to the article.
    Who said it was a never before seen miracle? I didn't. Read the article!
    I am not making the scientific claim. A scientist is.

    Address the message, not the messenger.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Another link to recent research;

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    Stathmin (magenta) destabilizes microtubules by binding to tubulin.

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    Given their central role in cell division, microtubules are the target of many important toxins and drugs. For instance, some anticancer drugs act this way: they are designed to block the malignantly rapid growth of the cancer cells by blocking the normal dynamics of microtubules. Three molecules that block microtubule action, all produced by plants, are shown here: colchicine and vinblastine block the assembly of microtubules, and the anticancer drug paclitaxel (Taxol) promotes the assembly, binding so tightly that disassembly is virtually impossible (PDB entries 1z2b and 1jff ). To look at these structures in more detail, click on the image for an interactive JSmol.

     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This may illustrate the MT bundles at the data exchange sites (synapses)

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    Neurons depend on the highly dynamic microtubule (MT) cytoskeleton for many different processes during early embryonic development including cell division and migration, intracellular trafficking and signal transduction, as well as proper axon guidance and synapse formation. The coordination and support from MTs is crucial for newly formed neurons to migrate appropriately in order to establish neural connections. Once connections are made, MTs provide structural integrity and support to maintain neural connectivity throughout development.

    Abnormalities in neural migration and connectivity due to genetic mutations of MT-associated proteins can lead to detrimental developmental defects. Growing evidence suggests that these mutations are associated with many different neurodevelopmental disorders, including intellectual disabilities (ID) and autism spectrum disorders (ASD). In this review article, we highlight the crucial role of the MT cytoskeleton in the context of neurodevelopment and summarize genetic mutations of various MT related proteins that may underlie or contribute to neurodevelopmental disorders.


    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncel.2018.00165/full
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Why do microtubules remind me of Menger sponges? Are microtubules "fractal"?

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    Microtubule

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    Menger Sponge.

    Fractals and the irreducibility of consciousness in plants and animals
    John Gardiner
    Abstract
    The Irreducibility of Consciousness
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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A nice quick visual



    and if you liked that this is awesome!

     
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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Welcome to the world of microtubules.

    Distinct Roles of Cytoskeletal Components in Immunological Synapse Formation and Directed Secretion
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4610857/

    While this does not address consciousness per se, it demonstrates the incredible range of microtubular functions in maintenance of homeostasis in all Eukaryotic organisms.
     
  11. Bells Staff Member

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    Mod Note

    Stick to the subject of the thread topic ("Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules), or I will close this thread.
     
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  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No, he's not. You read the article and misunderstood it. You made several false claims. We are correcting you.
    OK. The scientist said that all life is basically a flow of electrons, because much of chemistry is a flow of electrons. It happens during photosynthesis, cellular respiration and protein synthesis. Life is, in large part, a clever set of chemical reactions designed to suck electrons out of things we ingest and create that current flow. So this bacteria is not showing any new chemical processes or life cycles. It doesn't "live on pure energy" but rather on the electron transfer process that powers all life.

    I agree with him.
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Y'know ... the traditional penalty for a messenger scrambling a delivered message ... is beheading.

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    In the thread "Dealingwith cytokines"
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    OK, in response to RS order to avoid infecting the thread "dealing with "cytokines" I referrred the reader to my thread about the various roles microtubules play in maintaining homeostasis.
    Thus, in the thread "Is consciousness to be found mictotubules.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    As posted elsewhere, microtubules and microfilaments are the data processing "information highways" in all Eukaryotic organisms.
    They play a major role in maintaining homeostasis of the body. This includes the maintenance of a vigorous immune system against foreign pathogens.



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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4133274/
     
  16. river

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    What movements do mito
     
  17. river

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    Information , the exchange if information , between all physical real , physical forms .
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Didn't a moderator already ask you to keep all your microtubule woo in the other thread?
     
  19. river

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    Why is this your business billvon ? It isn't . Buzz off .
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because I post on this forum. Just like you.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK, I think I know what you are asking.

    Microtubules Are Essential for Mitochondrial Dynamics–Fission, Fusion, and Motility–in Dictyostelium discoideum

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4801864/#:~:text=Microtubules
     
  22. river

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    your post #4 , is to influence a way of thinking . To your way of thinking .
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, you better look again and inform yourself of what's going on here. Bells has not only become my "word" police, she has become my "thought" police.

    I am forbidden (on threat of censorship) to mention the word "microtubule" anywhere, unless it is in reference to "consciousness." And that only by her magnanimous graciousness of allowing me to post in Sciforums at all.

    If you will note. Bells complained about my use of the word microtubule, in relation to Immunology and by extension, Homeostasis in general, in both threads.
    This left me no choice but to open a new dedicated thread specifically addressing the role of microtubules in respect to Homeostasis as that includes the field of Immunology.

    I'll be happy to do that every time there is a complaint about my incorrect choice of the word microtubule in reference to some fundamental importance in mitosis and maintaning cellular health (among many other functions) in living organisms.

    I'll just open a new dedicated thread, everytime, although I'd prefer to keep it all under one simple title so that a comprehensive image can be presented in the attempt to describe the important role microtubules have in ALL dynamic information sharing in living organisms, and in particular how this all pervasive engagement of information processing by microtubules and microfilaments may be causal to the emergence of self-aware conscious sentience.

    But I'll be conforming to the tortured logic as displayed by Bells as Moderator. I don't see her "heavy boot" in other forums which wander all over the place.

    And all this Official hullabaloo after moving my thread to a pseudo-science sub-forum to minimize "critique of scientific methodology". This is truly becoming ludicrous, but I've dealt with worse.

    You've got to be kidding!
     
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