It's Down to Biden and Bernie

Discussion in 'Politics' started by (Q), Mar 5, 2020.

  1. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Everyone else has now dropped out and the race is on. Who will come out as the next Dem candidate to go up against the Trumpinator? Regardless of the outcome, it will be one really old guy against another really old guy.
     
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Not really. It will be either one smart and determined old guy or one wishy-washy mediocrity up against a lavishly funded, lock-step organized, utterly unscrupulous, remote-controlled constitution-busting machine with a vengeful megalomaniac ranting and gesticulating in the driver's seat.
    They almost deserve it.
    almost
     
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  5. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Your descriptions for the Democratic candidates seem so unreal, I couldn't figure out what you have in mind.
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Describe them for "real" and let's compare.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    OK how about this:

    One smart and determined old guy that will get no centrist support or
    One wishy-washy mediocrity that more people will vote for
     
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  9. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Probably.
    And they'll probably get more Trump. The Repugs have all been required to check their scruples and vertebrae at the door before they get any support; they're blindly and rabidly behind the Trumpmobile - cos they're afraid to get in front of it; their propaganda apparatus makes Goebbels' little operation look penny-anti, and at least 50% of the people are so punch-drunk they can't see straight.
     
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  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    It's Down to Biden and Bernie
    '"Down to"
    interesting phrase
    .....................
    a brief musical interlude:
     
  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Dear old Leonard! He sure made a good career out of that three-note range.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    hey tulsi hasnt dropped out yet
     
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  13. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Tulsi has no support from any state - her two delegates are from Samoa. Her campaign seems to be anti-Hiillary, anti-DNC, anti-media, and nothing about Trump.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Sanders has a lot of centrist support already - it's just that most of them think the other ones won't vote for him.

    As those who got to see Jesse Ventura's campaign come around can attest: that can change.
    Fewer than have so far - Biden does not wear well, in his dotage. Reagan could hide behind Republican media influence and Republican voter gullibility - Biden's running as a Democrat.

    And his record is genuinely bad; Kerry was wishy washy, Biden is actually positioned - on the wrong side.

    The question now is:
    When do the Dems want to find out that Biden is not only a rightwing corporate stooge but getting senile: now, or a few months from now when he shows up to a Halloween gathering in blackface?
     
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  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Probably better to find out that, and end up with (say) Harris as president in a year, than to find out that few centrists will vote for Bernie and that Trump remains president.
     
  16. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Low, but funny!
     
  17. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    That's almost a foregone. The propaganda machine has grown to juggernaut proportions - and nobody's driving.
    The democrats, as they usually do, as the Liberals usually do, have failed to get their act together.
     
  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    I am fairly convinced that the 'Boss Tweeds' and big money backing the dnc will choose Biden for us.

    I will not vote for the senator from MBNA.
     
  19. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Are either of these two worse than Trump? If not, why would the Democratic voters opt to not vote for them in the Presidential election when not doing so will pretty much guarantee a Trump second term?
     
  20. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    It is clear that most Dems,' priority is to remove Trump come hell or high water.

    The question in my mind is whether that is enough to guarantee his demise.

    The answer seems to be that this is an election the Dems can still lose despite the anger towards this administration.

    I feel anxiously confident though that the Dems will be able to supplement that anger with popular policies and secure a victory ,especially so if the Corona virus punctures what seems to be an artificially (disgracefully so) inflated economic bubble.

    It will also play very badly on its own terms if it is shown that bad policy decisions caused the outbreak to be worse than it might have been if the healthcare professionals had not been hampered in the early stages.(and the medical state of play had not been downplayed by the president at first)
     
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, I suppose the core dems will vote for whichever, even if they have to hold their noses. But neither will pull over any of the disillusioned conservatives or punch-drunk undecideds. I'm predicting a low turnout, as many, many sculptors simply turn their back on the whole farce.
     
  22. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    <------- libertarian socialist
    (if that makes no sense to you----your perception is not my problem)

    I would like to vote for Gabbard
    If given the chance: I would vote for Sanders even though I think him somewhat delusional as to what he could accomplish as president.
    I will not vote for Biden.
    I caucused for kucinich and would have voted for him.
    I would vote for a yellow dog if it pledged to get our military out of the middle east.

    meanwhile
    we have congress ---the legislative body who writes the laws.

    Realistically
    Without congress' help, what could Sanders accomplish?
    Can the executive start a parallel medical channel to offer us a choice? eg: By using the military?
    Can the executive raise the minimum wage for all working americans?
    etc...
    etc...
     
  23. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't matter whether it makes sense to anyone else. It does to an anarcho-syndicalist.
    Pretty much anyone charging into that fire with their eyes open would have to be somewhat delusional - a Joan of Arkitypal figure. That's not Biden. A couple of the younger ones might have done it. If Sanders chose a Kucinich for VP, the crusade might continue beyond him.
    Anyone can promise (see Trump campaign) but I'm not sure anyone can accomplish that now - not quickly; that's an awfully deep quagmire. At least Sanders didn't agree to sending them in the first place.
    Yah... you need to work on that.
    That's a very in-te-res-tink question. A parallel insurance agency, available to anyone who signs up, wouldn't require legislation. But it would require massive co-operation from the health-care "industry".
    How about selling shares in the brand new Space Service... except, the fine print says in hospital space and nursing service?
    No; the individual states can. But GBI - maybe.

    Thing is, the corruption has soaked so deeply into the very fiber of government, you'll pretty much have to throw the thing out and start over. I suggest Lincoln, Nebraska for your new capitol -- and just forget to invite fascists, lobbyists, jingoists and spy agencies when you move.
     

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