Military Events in Syria and Iraq Thread #4

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Yazata, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    A new round in Syria has been started, looks like it is time to revive this thread. Here is the starting position.

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    The initial battles were about so
    me heights and nearby unimportant villages, and it was not really clear if this was really an offensive or just the low scale more or less permanent thing of violations of the ceasefire and retaliation.

    It became clear that it is more than a local battle when Kafr Nabuda has been taken by the Syrian army:

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    After this, the town Qalaat al Madiq was essentially taken without a fight, the terrorists had made a failed attack in the outscirts and after this have given up the town, while the locals have made an agreement with the Syrian army.

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    The Syrian army now goes toward the North, taking the mountains and the street, the important agrarian region of the Al Ghab plains will be probably not defended heavily if the mountains East of it have been taken.

    The other direction of fighting is toward the East. Actually, there was a big counterattack against Kafr Nabuda, which has failed, and the Syrian army has taken an important hill South-East of Kafr Nabuda, which secures the town. The next big target in the East would be Khan Sheikhun. There is information about negotiations of the Syrian army with locals of Khan Sheikhun.

    There has been also an attack against the positions of Hatesh in the North, in Latakia, against the most important strategic village in the mountains, Kabane. Some nearby heights have already been taken.

    The general political situation is that the quite long ceasefire in Idlib was a compromise negotiated by the Russians with Turkey. The compromise was the establishment of a demilitarized zone, and Turkey offered to destroy Hatesh (renamed Al Qaida). This failed, in the infight in Idlib the winner were not the pro-Turkish (or simply Turkish paid) groups, but Hatesh. They now control most of Idlib.

    Turkey seems to have accepted this failure and is in the process of withdrawing its observers of the ceasefire. It recommends the pro-Turkish groups not to fight the Syrian army. Nonetheless, many groups have now shared with Hatesh a coordination center to fight together against the Syrian army. Given that they have essentially unified with Hatesh, the Syrian army does not have to care if they were sort of pro-Turkish or not. In particular, Qalaat al Mudiq was a known SSA stronghold some time ago.
     
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  3. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    The plunder from Idlib will surely pay for the reconstruction of Russia and Syria while cementing the alliance with Turkey. Let the hospitals burn!
     
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  5. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, in Idlib nothing remains to be plundered, everything is already plundered by the "moderate rebels". This is, btw, a difference one has to understand: Different from the IS, and in part Hatesh and other fundamentalists, who tried to create an Islamic state, but nonetheless a state of (Islamic) law, so that they had to fight any attempts to plunder, the non-fundamentalist "rebels" had no such intentions and did plunder much more. It is this difference which essentially destroyed all secular "moderate" rebel forces. Some switched back to Assad, others shifted toward the fundamentalists.

    Idlib was during the last years the place to collect all those rebel forces which did not accept reconciliation agreements. Among them many of those "moderate" plunderers and mercenaries, but also a lot of fundamentalists. There was already not much left to plunder, but this inflow of additional plunderers has destroyed the remains. The infight was won by the fundamentalists, by Hatesh. But Hatesh is also not the Islamic State, their territories are not their state to be defended at any costs, but temporary gains, which can be left if necessary. This makes them more tolerant of plundering too.

    Idlib is of interest only because it is a dangerous collection of terrorists from all over the world, ready to move to other locations to start to terrorize other people. That's all.

    The Syrian army has continued its advances toward the North, as explained yesterday, taking the mountains first and then clearing the Al Ghab plains:

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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And as soon as they "switched back" to Assad, they ceased being "terrorists".
    Because State terrorism does not exist, within the Russian alliances. See Orwell for guidance on vocabulary.
     
  8. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    Terrorists hate borscht. Therefore anyone who is friends with a borscht lover or at least acknowledges the overwhelming genetic superiority of borscht lovers, cannot be considered a terrorist, because that person does not self-identify as a terrorist.
     
  9. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    The recent progress of the Syrian army is quite interesting, in conflict with what I have told - namely, it is the Al Ghab valley which is now taken first and not the mountain range East of it:

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    I'm not sure what this means. Let's mention that it may be an artifact of what becomes known, so taking villages in the valley is one thing, taking some mountains without villages another one, which may go unnoticed. I have seen another map where some part of the mountain range East of the new taken villages has been taken too.

    LOL, even in such a simple case you are unable to do your job in an accurate way - I have not named them "terrorists" in this post too. Then, to name only those terrorists which are not state forces is the standard form used everywhere. I'm libertarian but not such a fanatic libertarian that I would regularly name all state forces terrorists, even if states are essentially nothing but terrorist organizations.
    And these polemics are completely nonsensical too. Russia was the origin of anarchist political terrorism, so there are (or at least have been) enough borscht-loving terrorists too. And genetic superiority never played any role in Russian politics. The exceptions are a few guys who after 1990, following the general trend of loving everything coming from the West, admired Hitler, but they have always been only an ignorable minority.
     

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