Plasma Cosmology

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by EndLightEnd, Jul 25, 2008.

1. EndLightEndThis too shall pass.Registered Senior Member

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Hey I was wondering if any of the people who actually do research in physics (I just study) have considered plasma cosmology as a model for the universe. Check out this website, it is very informative and provides facts and experiments to back up its claims (click the links).

Im not looking for a flame war just genuine unbiased responses as to why this could or could not work.

But please, no pre-conditioned responses.

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3. Gently PassingRegistered Senior Member

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The website is a bit too elementary for me to make a judgment, and I suspect the real McCoy would require months of study to make any sense of.

I have suspected, though, that our current model of the Universe is fundamentally flawed because too much "invisible" and "theoretical" material/energy has been proposed to keep it alive.

My suspicion is that this will require some new insight, akin to Relativity or QM, to do away with the mountains of convoluted theory.

Plasma Cosmology may be it. Couldn't prove it by me, though.

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5. EndLightEndThis too shall pass.Registered Senior Member

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From the website:

Anthony Peratt used an extremely large computer to apply the Maxwell - Lorentz equations (the basic laws governing the forces produced by, and the interactions between, electric & magnetic fields) to two huge groups of charged particles. (Matter/Anti-Matter)

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When Peratt compared his computer simulations with Halton Arp's Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies, the results were similar to the galaxy shapes and radio emissions. Peratt and Green went on to developed three-dimensional galactic plasma simulations at Los Alamos National Laboratory and produced extraordinary results.

* As the objects (plasmoids) moved slowly toward each other, the galaxy starts to rotation and produce a powerful beam of energy in opposite directions.
* The magnetic fields pinch off matter and hurl it outward into space to create the spiral arms of the galaxy.
* The electrons, spinning around the magnetic field lines in the center of the galaxy, produces synchrotron radiation. The central radio sources & emerging jets looked exactly like active galactic nuclei.
* The simulations accurately match observations for ordinary &radio galaxies and confirm Alfven's concept of the Plasma Universe.

The powerful beam of energy, in the center of galaxies, comes from the interaction of matter and antimatter black holes in the worm hole. The Einstein-Rosen Bridge keeps the matter and antimatter black holes separated. The oscillations between the black holes at opposite ends of the wormhole force the black holes to become white holes and eject matter and antimatter in opposite directions forming the spiral arms of stars within the galactic disk. Scientists have observed hundreds of new stars are being churned out from the center of the galaxy as illustrated above.

Ive also read this model also produces a flat-rotation curve for the spiral arms.

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7. kanedaActual CynicRegistered Senior Member

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How do they detect whether a black hole is matter or anti-matter?

Worm holes, if they exist are inside black holes, because of the incredible amount of energy needed to sustain one. They are very local phenomena.

How does a black hole become a white hole?

The SMBH is the centre of our galaxy is a mere 3,600,000 solar masses. Our galaxy is maybe 100,000,000,000 solar masses. How can something so small eject so much mass?

Plasma cosmology is still just pseudo-science.

8. RussTRegistered Member

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The answer to this is surprisingly simple.

First though, you have to understand that ONLY SMBH's are 'Powerful' enough to actually do this. Stellar Black holes are Not.

All you need to understand is that SMBH's are powerful enough to 'tunnel Down through space', and when the Ring Singularity forms, 'space' can Go Through' the Ring and to the Universe below OURS.

So, from the Ring Singularity, 'space' goes into the "Worm Hole" and then the worm hole becomes an event horizon for the "White Hole" to "SPEW OUT" Non-Baryonic Neutrinos to the universe below ours.

SO, each one of our SMBH's is connected to a "Void" between galaxy clusters in the Universe below ours. That Gives that universe ALL of it's "SPACE".

9. blobranaRegistered Senior Member

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IMHO, There is no need for Plasma Cosmology.

We know now that galaxies arms are created, and the infall of matter into the central blackhole can produce galactic jets. There is no need to evoke Einstein-Rosen Bridges or white holes.

10. EndLightEndThis too shall pass.Registered Senior Member

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Yes we do, but were still not sure how....

The most interesting thing I read was about the comets, and how they are supposedly anti-matter. When I read this I could not help but think of the HUGE impact on Jupiter and how it was MANY magnitudes more powerful than ANYONE expected.

11. blobranaRegistered Senior Member

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Sry,
i meant We know now how galaxies arms are created.

(they are the product of density waves.)

12. EndLightEndThis too shall pass.Registered Senior Member

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But this does not explain the constant velocity curves PRESENT in the spiral arms, so no, we do not understand spiral arm formation yet.
No doubt we have our ideas, but nothing solid by any means.

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13. blobranaRegistered Senior Member

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The linear velocity curve is a separate issue and is answered by the presence of Darkmatter, (and it should be mentioned by, a very outside possibility of, MOND theories).

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15. EndLightEndThis too shall pass.Registered Senior Member

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My point is, why create all this extra dark matter, density waves, etc... when here is a SIMPLE model which fits CURRENT observations and produces all of the observed properties of galaxies?

This is why I consider science to be a religion, it gets an idea and latches onto it despite other simpler explanations.

Also not to mention that 95%-99% of the baryonic matter in the universe is in its plasma state (any atom which is ionized).

16. CannonRegistered Senior Member

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First off, you have no proof that dark matter even exists and if it does I want the density recordings of such things.

17. CannonRegistered Senior Member

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Dark matter could be described as the dimentional curve of space time

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if you really think about it, if we were alive based on electrical impulses mathematically we would be plasma exchanging critter....

the reason it will not work is the whole model is a math game; there are no plasma stings and if you know the depth you would recognize they require high velocity plasma exchanges

i had spent over a year in that game because one of the writers hit me with about every phenomenon he could but i will look over the item just the same

thanx

to edit a bit; Plasma is a consequence of math. It is just like standard physics works in its relm an Quantum physics; they don't mix

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19. EndLightEndThis too shall pass.Registered Senior Member

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If you actually thought about it, we are NOT made of plasma, so how would we exchange it?

Plasma is NOT just a consequence of math, it is the 4th state of matter. To clarify it is essentially ANY atom which is ionized and has a free electron.

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splash a pond

ever look at a guitar string real close?

what do radio signals do over a distance?

what is it from the food we eat that is used? It's sure not electrons.

Think on it a bit

Otherwise picture you best electrical device and imagine what would happen if you put it into a 2 ton electromagnet; what is an MRI or CAT scan?

see the point

21. EndLightEndThis too shall pass.Registered Senior Member

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Pond...not made of plasma.

Guitar string...not made of plasma.

Im not sure what your point is.

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OK.... take 10 Hydrogen atoms and then take away 10 electrons; you have plasma

Then take 1 H atom, and take away 1 electron; you have plasma

what are you trying to say about 4th state?