Putin's invasion of Ukraine

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Saint, Jan 20, 2022.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    Chrimea is the new gate way
    it needs to be easily supported and secure
    as china expands russia will want to expand.
    russia will want to install some of its migs around there within easy reach of turkey
    they have a score to settle which is waiting & russia will want to exert its military power over turkey and dominate that entire region.
    russia has been dealing with the terrorist threat coming from that region and needs to extend coverage to stamp it out
    a large more comprehensive military base in chrimea would do that and add protection to the black sea which is russias back door step soon coming russias front door step

    the black sea is a critical aqua culture zone that russia must secure beyond all doubt for food security
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    ...just to add to your comment which I generally agree with, I really wonder whether the powers that be understand the nature of globalization. No-where is actually safe and no-where needs to be invaded. Moscow is just as vulnerable to catastrophic outcomes as New York is or London is etc..
    Abstract:
    "So a Ukrainian extremist decides to take the train to Moscow with a dirty nuke in a back-pack as pay back for Putin's actions..." etc
    ICBM's do not have to be nuclear...
     
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  5. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    US, UK and other European countries are coward, they cannot protect Ukraine.
    They can only bully small countries like Iraq, Libya, Syria, but not Russia or China.
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    If anything was going to force Ukraine to join NATO then this latest move by Russia's dictator will do it easily.
     
  8. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, Russia invaded the USA last month, but the media or anyone didn't notice.
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Article two signed by the USSR on the UN charter after WWII stated sovereign equality for all it's member states. Russia broke that agreement when Putin said that those Ukraine provinces are viewed as independent. The world disapproves of Russia's hostile actions but you just want to call the USA and others names?

    Well, if so, at least try to do a better job.
     
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  10. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    After WWII, US rampaged around the world and killed millions of innocent lives.
    The devil is US.
    Sanction here sanction there,
    anti-China,
    accused China.

    Hope Russia will blow the faces of US and UK.
     
  11. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Reports that airbases, air defense sites, and other military facilities in the outskirts of Kyiv and various other Ukrainian cities are being hit by ballistic and cruise missiles as we speak. So it looks like the war has begun. 7:55 PM PST/ 10:55 PM EST
     
  12. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    You really are an ill-informed, naive, odious little person, aren't you.
     
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  13. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    You don't like me?
     
  14. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    The Ukraine president promised weapons to every citizen that wants to defend their country.

    I think this is more important than loosing some strategic buildings; NATO could help this war be won just by supplying guns.
     
  15. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    This is 2022. And you want to roll back time and see the rebirth of the USSR. You want the world to devolve do you?

    :EDIT:

    Sanctions and guns.

    Maybe, just maybe, we can hope.

    :EDIT:

    Martial Law declared.
     
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  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    You would think that Putin would have learned from history but no ...welcome to the second cold war. *CW2...(most likely outcome IMO)
    144 million people (Russia 2020) and all taking a big hit in their vodka rations.
     
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Nations have no obligations other that good faith to trade. Any one can refuse to sell or buy stuff when ever they want..
    Sanctions are just a withdrawal of services/products that Putin doesn't seem to want or value any how...
     
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  18. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    What allies does Russia have now?
    I see Belarus, China,Iran and ,presumably N Korea.

    Are there others?
     
  19. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Pakistan.
     
  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Only allies until they do not fit into Putin's schemes...lying and betrayal seems to be his main MO.
     
  21. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    I mean he is kgb through and through
     
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  22. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Well I only mean countries that will support him in any way at all.

    I am not asking if they share anything but a commonality of interest.

    It is easy to assume that countries with no strong democratic institutions would be more likely to be sympathetic to the Russian attack on a democratic country.

    Any other countries apart from Pakistan?

    Venezuela? Brazil? Cuba?

    Has every country had to stand up at the UN and be counted?

    Any abstentions or mealy mouthed statements?
     
  23. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I heard China call for a diplomatic solution. This was just after the incursion, no one was/had been killed.

    Aside, I heard Costa Rica specifically say that women should be involved in the path to peace.

    I still don't really know what to make of such an odd statement at the UN.

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