String Theory, near death experiences, and the origin of Intelligence.

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Dennis Tate, Mar 8, 2021.

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Where and when did Intelligence begin?

  1. In carbon based organic matter about five billion or so years ago on earth

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  2. In fundamental or nearly fundamental energy something close to infinite time in the past

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  3. Perhaps on another planet tens of billions of years ago

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  4. Other.. please explain in a reply

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  1. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    From what I have read....
    it seems like spiritual being volunteered to leave heaven to develop more empathy... . a greater level of thankfulness....
    to mentor other spiritual beings here on earth... .in order to get prepared for the next level of our spiritual evolution that is
    far beyond the level of accomplishment that we can imagine here and now.

    Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley wrote that only the most courageous and philosophically advanced spiritual beings
    will volunteer to incarnate into the body of a child destined to have cancer or physical or mental handicaps. Spiritual beings know
    before conception what our DNA will cause us to be up against in this life.
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Altered brain states, whether resulting from G-LOC or the NDE, can produce vivid experiences to those who have them

    Sounds like a brain low on oxygen creating hallucinations

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    But the nature of those "hallucinations" is very interesting and another way in which and NDE can be planned and done on a schedule, is through electrical stimulation of the right temporal lobe.
     
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I believe many of your style believers really don't listen to yourselves

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  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Used it before but the above is just made for this



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    Here is a video that I believe is a really good job by Richard Dawkins Ph. D. in refusing to rule out the possibility of Life / Intelligence
    developing out there on another planet and somehow being taken to this earth.......
    That is a good first step and I personally thought that Ben Stein should have given Dr. Dawkins more credit for his admission here:



    Ben Stein vs. Richard Dawkins Interview
    This is where I personally think that the Chaim Henry TEjman M. D. writings are some of the best on the Origin of Intelligence or even a self replicating molecule of some sort!
     
  10. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    True.... and you and I both may be amazed at how such profoundly encouraging information as the following tends to be overlooked by
    the deeply religious who we would think would wish to study this possibility much further.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a04h

    My conclusions at this time is that we are living in something like a hologram within a Multiverse.
     
  11. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    That is funny....
    but apparently both you and I and all eight billion of us
    have something like a "higher invisible highly energetic hard drive" within us....
    or perhaps connected to us through an invisible cable that may connect to our right temporal lobe....
    but this hard drive seems to be something like "cloud technology" and our higher self is on a mission of
    learning lots and lots and lots from tackling life from many different angles.

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

    How in the world could this guy Christian Andreason have a brush with death and come back with an explanation for what is happening that fits with the thirty years of research done by Dr. Ian Stevenson????????
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Incorrect so far as my belief is NOTHING like that

    Not read about and not going to

    To many times have read stuff (have been suckered into reading) only to find has more holes than a truck load of Edam cheese

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  13. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I have also been there... and done that....
    and I have the T-shirt..... so I don't entirely blame you for your skepticism!?
     
  14. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    I agree.
    Now, we can not know, or much likely, we should not know why all this is for.
    But for the one who want to observe how all is going on, it is, in my opinion, possible to find the explaination.

    Often, as i was a young man, i asked myself : But why is there so many wrong thing going on in this world ?
    Much younger so around 10 years, i was wondering why we dont simply share what we have and be kind with each other ? This would be the solution to all the bad thing going on around the world.
    So yes, people are mocking this kind of thinking.

    But, and this is what i wanted to say regarding the question : Why ? What ? (is God just playing with us ????)
    A couple of years ago, so after asking myself one other time the question "why" and "what" (because, you know, i seek some "much advanced" solution regarding the problems we have on Earth), suddently, with no warning, like a flash of lightning ! The Answer was here before my mind !

    This Answer was very particular, there was no way to have any doubt about it (it was the firts time i ever had some thinking that could not be refuted), no arguing, no complex thinking, so simple that i was astonished that i never heard anyone having this tought before.
    My first tought was; how is it possible that nobody has never know this before, as this is simple, "primordial", that even an ant could have access to this...
    I call this "an illumination" (and the thought has somme brillance also as i was focalised on it, and "it looked like" two blue/transparent tetraedron cristals associated by their face, with no dependance with anything).

    Regarding the content of this, i was very happy and my second tought was : It is a very good news ! I must explain this to everybody.
    But, at the moment i had this second tought, the Answer vanished....

    Therefore, if you think there is a goal in this world, something that explain what you have to do etc, i can answer :
    1. The answer exists.
    2.You can not know it, all special complex intelligent thinking is stupidity (you can use your intelligence for other tasks, here to answer the question, it is useless.)
    3. It is a good news.

    You know the joke : I can give you the answer, but after that i need to kill you.

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    On one level......
    I believe that you and I and all eight billion of us......
    are alive at this time to play out something like a reality film role......
    but the film series stars all eight billion of us.......
    and the results over the next two centuries will resemble the transformation of the earth into a truly utopian state.........
    I am of the belief that former Skeptic Howard Storm did not just simply write what he claims to have been shown about the future because he
    is some sort of genius.

    I believe that during his brush with death former Atheist Howard Storm somehow got a message from beings who exist in higher invisible dimensions of space and time?!

    I found that what he was shown greatly increased my level of HOPE for the future!

    I plead guilty..... back in 1990... I was really pessimistic..... and I could not have imagined such a positive 2021 at that time, (in spite of the obvious challenges that we are facing)!


    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a04

     
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    Over two decades ago I ran into a study in some branch of science that really surprised me.
    It was actually the summary of this research in a Reader's Digest book that I got into.....

    Most scientists would term this "pseudoscience" but I was kind of impressed......

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Plants

     
  17. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    But this was not pseudoscience.
    It is actually studied and we also know a lot more about plants.
    Per example, the trees are aware of their posture.
    We also know that all eucaryotes (so plants etc) are using electrical depolarisation of their cells to communicate quickly at long distance (and using chemicals too but this is trivial).
    Therefore some of the scientists talk about "the intelligence of the plants".

    Concerning "life" there is something that we always find when there is life : Water.
    (Some scientist speculate with alien life form without water but we have never seen any of these)
    And what is strange with water, is its properties that doesent fit with the theory and produce tens of unexplained anomalies.
    Therefore some scientists think that water is not a liquid... but is an other state, that has to do with quantum physic.

    In Christian religion, water is also more that just matter.
     
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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    The answer is - god does not exist, we are all individual people with individual thoughts (concepts) of how the world should be run, large groups exist with almost synchronous ideas, the tussles exist when large groups disagree, sometimes the tussles are over done

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    Some people experience NDE , most don't .

    The origin of intelligence is Life Forms .

    Life does not need a computer to exist . But a computer needs Life to exist , in order for the computer to exist . This is a Truth .
     
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  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    most likely 1st occurrence
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    • Panspermia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
    i personally think there are 3 ways life has developed on earth
    Panspermia
    Primordial Soup
    Alien migration/colonization
    possibly, panspermia is required as the starting block for magic soup

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    • Primordial Soup
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_soup
    3
    • Alien Colonization of Earth in some variant form post or pre bi-pedal humans
     
  21. river

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    The Primordial Soup ( Life energy ) fills the Universe .
     
  22. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Your right.
    Thats why, in my opinion, what distinguish Life and not Life, is his origin.
    Who say origin, say lineage.
    So what we name "life", is the lineage of the first life apparition created at the origin.

    For the wise jewish priests by example and if i understand right, the creation of a golem would cause some problem, because we would not be able to distinguish between the life form and the non life form any more (golem is not a life form, it has no spirit of life in it, what is here named "soul").

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

    https://momentmag.com/jewish-word-golem/

    This way of thinking is different of the one we use actually (in our actual scientific world).
    Here we say that the origin of something is a property like every other physical property.
    It is not because we dont have the direct ability to do some measurement, that the property could not exists.

    It is like saying : The number of times this object did rotate is unknown (and we dont see how this could have some action on the world), so this is not a property.
     
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    Isaiah made several statements that really impressed me that is related to this topic.

    Isaiah 14:7
    "The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
    Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us."

    Isaiah made lots of impressive statements that make me wonder how he could know this? Did he have some sort of out of the body experience?

    Isaiah 40:22
    "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"


    Near-Death Experiences Have Been Known Throughout History

     

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