ten lost tribes of Israel

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  1. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Based om the book of Kings, the northern kingdom (Israel) cnsisted of ten tribes which were lost to the Assyrians. However a careful reading of the earlier books (Joshua and Judges) has Simeon being absorbed within Judah long before the king Saul reigned, so the north had only nine tribes. Why hasn't this error been ever corrected?
     
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  3. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Because it is the bible so mistakes are ignored.
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    The world was not made in 6 days either.

    You can't just "correct" source texts. They are what they are.
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    That^^^ The text has been considered too holy to change, except for translation and later translation errors.
    Plus, it would be an editor's worst nightmare, trying to correct the errors of fact and math, trying to reconcile the contradictions and discrepancies and redundancies. For example, what would you do with Abram and Sarah? They played the badger game on two different powerful kings, who both fell for her at first sight, and paid extortion for it - when Abram was nothing but an itinerant herdsman. Indeed, that's why God told him to lie.
     
  8. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    The question I was raising was not about fixing the book of kings, but why current and in general post biblical references still use ten as the number of lost tribes?
     
  9. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Does it matter?
    I suppose if you really want to know, you can find it in the commentaries.
     
  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Because it's not really an error.

    Judges, ca. 11th century BCE, describes what is going on in its time, which is the rule of Judges (1228-879 BCE); the Book of Joshua is itself historically unreliable, and is actually more contemporary with the Books of Kings. In function, the Book of Joshua asserts continuity of covenant and authority.

    Generally speaking, Deuteronomistic history is a traditional, theological, and historical reflection on the loss of Judah; in this context, we might note the Books of Kings covers a period ending in 560 BCE. Accounting for all Ten Tribes becomes important when we consider the point that it was 574 BCE when the first two Tribes were formally expelled, and 566 BCE for the next two, and the expulsions complete in 556 BCE.
     
  11. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Bible Study.
     
  12. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    If I wrote a novel in 21st century American English and then tried to pass it off as an authentic medieval English tale, you'd all call bullshit on that. So what's with claiming that a collection of books was given to a prophet on a mountaintop in 1300 BC when it's written in 500 BC dialect?

    And how could Moses have fled from Egypt to Canaan when Canaan was already colonized and settled by Egypt?
     
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  13. nebel

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    The religion "British Israel" has it that one of the tribes , Dan, went up north, not just to, but past the Euphrates, and founded the city of Gdansk (Danzig)
    The counting of tribes varied too, whether it was talking of territories ( the tribe of Levi had none.)
    so, Bible wrong in gen: 1;1, and talking snake, talking donkeys. not supporting just observing.
     
  14. pluto2 Registered Senior Member

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    I live in Israel and I think Israel is becoming extremely corrupt.

    I think that if you look at the quality of life and corruption indicators in Israeli society, Israel is not better than Turkey or Egypt and the problem is that all of those countries suffer from excessive corruption.

    Let me just say that I am extremely sick but cannot get medical treatment because my family doctor won't take me seriously. And I think that my family doctor simply doesn't care about me.

    This is why I think that Israel is a corrupt country because in no good and noncorrupt country in the world will such behavior from a healthcare provider be acceptable.

    I am considering moving to Switzerland or even to Norway. Maybe there I can get a better doctor and a better healthcare.

    Here in Israel my father always tells me what I'm allowed and not allowed to do and if I do something that he doesn't like he will just sack me and shut down my Internet.

    I don't like it here in Israel. I feel like a prisoner in my own body and I think I have absolutely no freedom here.

    And since I have absolutely no freedom here and since my parents and my doctor obviously don't care about my well-being I think this is why there are better places out there for me.
     
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  15. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    How old are you? Your complaint sounds like that of a teenager.

    What has this to with the ten lost tribes of Israel?
     
  16. pluto2 Registered Senior Member

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    I'm 33 years old and I'm from Israel. I'm adopted but my entire family is Jewish.

    The problem is that I'm starting to get a bit annoyed by the way my father treats me.

    I think my father wants to establish absolute control over me and totally take away my freedom.

    My father knows that I am extremely sick and cannot make my own money and pay my own bills and live my own life but instead of helping me I think he just plans to establish absolute control over me which is really starting to annoy me quite a bit.

    All I need is access to good-quality healthcare, a compassionate doctor (a doctor who actually cares about my problems) and a father who respects my freedom and doesn't want to control me and tell me what to do all the time.

    And maybe then finally, I could go out into the world and start making some money for myself, just like every other independent adult who works and makes money.
     
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  17. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    I obviously cannot know your actual situation, but based on your posts in general, like the one above, he is probably very exasperated with listening to a 33 year old child whining all the time instead of moving ahead with their life.

    I am sorry you are so unhappy, but you do not seem to understand how difficult it is to live with someone who continually mopes about saying woe is me.
     

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