The Impeachment of President Trump

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  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Now that the impeachment proceedings have been formalized, the inquiry into the sitting POTUS activities can begin in earnest.
    The full house vote on this will occur in a couple of days
    The following is a copy and paste from NPR of the Draft resolution introduced published on the 29th/10/2019.

    It shall be very interesting to witness how all this unfolds.

    src: https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/7743...lease-draft-resolution-on-impeachment-inquiry

    Original pdf can be found here: https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6532421-Draft-House-Impeachment-Inquiry-Resolution

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    116TH CONGRESS 1ST SESSION H. RES. _______


    Directing certain committees to continue their ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its Constitutional power to impeach Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, and for other purposes.

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    Mr. MCGOVERN submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on _______

    RESOLUTION

    Directing certain committees to continue their ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its Constitutional power to impeach Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, and for other purposes.

    Resolved, That the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Committees on Financial Services, Foreign Affairs, the Judiciary, Oversight and Reform, and Ways and Means, are directed to continue their ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its Constitutional power to impeach Donald John Trump, President of the 5 United States of America.

    SEC. 2. OPEN AND TRANSPARENT INVESTIGATIVE PROCEEDINGS BY THE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE.

    For the purpose of continuing the investigation described in the first section of this resolution, the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (referred to in this resolution as the ''Permanent Select Committee'') is authorized to conduct proceedings pursuant to this resolution as follows:

    (1) The chair of the Permanent Select Committee shall designate an open hearing or hearings pursuant to this section.

    (2) Notwithstanding clause 2(j)(2) of rule XI of the Rules of the House of Representatives, upon recognition by the chair for such purpose under this paragraph during any hearing designated pursuant to paragraph (1), the chair and ranking minority member of the Permanent Select Committee shall be permitted to question witnesses for equal specified periods of longer than five minutes, as determined by the chair. The time available for each period of questioning under this paragraph shall be equal for the chair and the ranking minority member. The chair may confer recognition for multiple periods of such questioning, but each period of questioning shall not exceed 90 minutes in the aggregate. Only the chair and ranking minority member, or a Permanent Select Committee employee if yielded to by the chair or ranking minority member, may question witnesses during such periods of questioning. At the conclusion of questioning pursuant to this paragraph, the committee shall proceed with questioning under the five-minute rule pursuant to clause 2(j)(2)(A) of rule XI.

    (3) To allow for full evaluation of minority witness requests, the ranking minority member may submit to the chair, in writing, any requests for witness testimony relevant to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution within 72 hours after notice is given for the first hearing designated pursuant to paragraph (1). Any such request shall be accompanied by a detailed written justification of the relevance of the testimony of each requested witness to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution.

    (4)(A) The ranking minority member of the Permanent Select Committee is authorized, with the concurrence of the chair, to require, as deemed necessary to the investigation—

    (i) by subpoena or otherwise—

    (I) the attendance and testimony 7 of any person (including at a taking of a deposition); and

    (II) the production of books, records, correspondence, memoranda, papers, and documents; and

    (ii) by interrogatory, the furnishing of information.

    (B) In the case that the chair declines to concur in a proposed action of the ranking minority member pursuant to subparagraph (A), the ranking minority member shall have the right to refer to the committee for decision the question whether such authority shall be so exercised and the chair shall convene the committee promptly to render that decision, subject to the notice procedures for a committee meeting under clause 2(g)(3)(A) and (B) of 23 rule XI.

    (C) Subpoenas and interrogatories so authorized may be signed by the ranking minority member, and may be served by any person designated by the ranking minority member.

    (5) The chair is authorized to make publicly available in electronic form the transcripts of depositions conducted by the Permanent Select Committee in furtherance of the investigation described in the first section of this resolution, with appropriate redactions for classified and other sensitive information.

    (6) The Permanent Select Committee is directed to issue a report setting forth its findings and any recommendations and appending any information and materials the Permanent Select Committee may deem appropriate with respect to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution. The chair shall transmit such report and appendices, along with any supplemental, minority, additional, or dissenting views filed pursuant to clause 2(l) of rule XI, to the Committee on the Judiciary and make such report publicly available in electronic form, with appropriate redactions to protect classified and other sensitive information. The report required by this paragraph shall be prepared in consultation with the chairs of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Oversight and Reform.

    SEC. 3. TRANSMISSION OF ADDITIONAL MATERIALS.

    The chair of the Permanent Select Committee or the chair of any other committee having custody of records or other materials relating to the inquiry referenced in the first section of this resolution is authorized, in consulta6 tion with the ranking minority member, to transfer such records or materials to the Committee on the Judiciary.

    SEC. 4. IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY PROCEDURES IN THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY.

    (a) The House authorizes the Committee on the Judiciary to conduct proceedings relating to the impeachment inquiry referenced in the first section of this resolution pursuant to the procedures submitted for printing in the Congressional Record by the chair of the Committee on Rules, including such procedures as to allow for the participation of the President and his counsel.

    (b) The Committee on the Judiciary is authorized to promulgate additional procedures as it deems necessary for the fair and efficient conduct of committee hearings held pursuant to this resolution, provided that the additional procedures are not inconsistent with the procedures referenced in subsection (a), the Rules of the Committee, and the Rules of the House.

    (c)(1) The ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary is authorized, with the concurrence of the chair of the Committee on the Judiciary, to require, as deemed necessary to the investigation—

    (A) by subpoena or otherwise—

    (i) the attendance and testimony of any person (including at a taking of a deposition);

    (ii) the production of books, records, correspondence, memoranda, papers, and documents; and

    (B) by interrogatory, the furnishing of information.

    (2) In the case that the chair declines to concur in a proposed action of the ranking minority member pursuant to paragraph (1), the ranking minority member shall have the right to refer to the committee for decision the question whether such authority shall be so exercised and the chair shall convene the committee promptly to render that decision, subject to the notice procedures for a committee meeting under clause 2(g)(3)(A) and (B) of rule XI.

    (3) Subpoenas and interrogatories so authorized may be signed by the ranking minority member, and may be served by any person designated by the ranking minority member.

    (d) The Committee on the Judiciary shall report to the House of Representatives such resolutions, articles of impeachment, or other recommendations as it deems proper.​
     
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  3. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

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    Suppose Trump is impeached, but doesn't leave office? Could he still run for President in the next election?

    I could google this, but the info might be helpful to others, not just me.
     
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  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    He could if the Senate didn't disqualify him. If they actually convicted him (not too likely) then I do think it's likely that they would also disqualify him.
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    One can only wonder if the full unredacted Mueller Report will be released?
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    A few notes:
    "Impeachment" means the trial. He can be impeached and not removed from office.
    If the impeachment is successful, he is barred from holding office.
     
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  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    (1) improperly exceeding or abusing the powers of the office;
    (2) behavior incompatible with the function and purpose of the office; and
    (3) misusing the office for an improper purpose or for personal gain.
    Wiki


    Abuse of his office essentially?
     
  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Not necessarily. Some judges that were successfully impeached were also disqualified from holding further office and some weren't. It could be the same for a President.
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I hope the Democrats do not get so focused on this that they forget they need to building a president and preparing a champainge that will get him into the white house...that should be the main game...forget about getting their man on concentrate on getting your man in maybe. I would rather leave him there and save all that money getting wasted on lawyers.
    Alex
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Impeaching Trump would save the US a lot of money.

    Leaving him unimpeached would increase his chances of re-election - he is using the leverage of his Presidency to boost his campaign, enable election fraud in his favor, etc. The travails of impeachment would interfere with his abilities to do that, whether convicted in the Senate or not. Impeachment also makes public his behaviors in office, stuff that doesn't look good, that he can conceal if not impeached.

    Meanwhile, his screwing around with US foreign policy for personal gain is costing the US far more than the lawyers involved in his impeachment. We stand to save a lot of money by tying him up in impeachment proceedings - again, even if not convicted by the Senate.
     
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  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    It's not about saving money and Democrats should be able to focus on running their candidates and impeaching Trump. Even if he isn't convicted it's a mark on his Presidency, airs his dirty laundry and hopefully shows to a limited extent that the system can work.

    If Trump can't be impeached then who could be?
     
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  14. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Isn't it supposed to be about doing what is right for the people of the USA? You know, the national interest, values constitution and so on.
     
  15. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I think the the impeachment will make great TV.

     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I'll probably just binge watch all the episodes at the end of the season.
     
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  18. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    What, those irresponsible deplorables!

    The US politicians are just treating the US people the same way the UK politicians have been treating UK citizens since the BREXIT referendum, with extreme contempt.

    But then again habeas corpus has been well and truly trashed by both sides recently as well.
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah - maybe it's time for the liberals to quit bailing them out. The burned hand teaches best.
    Not by "both sides" equivalently. One of the sides did a lot more trashing than everybody else put together.

    "Both sides" is bullshit.

    Meanwhile, somebody else doesn't want to go to jail for perjuring themselves in defense of Trump: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-impeachment-probe-transcripts-1.5348715
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Given that the last poll was 46% remain / 41% leave, I think UK politicians are quite accurately representing the will of the people of the UK.
    Well, at least that's half right.
     
  21. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    Who didn't close down Guantanamo bay?
     
  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You mean the torture prison. or the Navy base?
    W and Trump, so far, wanted the torture prison to remain open. W opened it.
    Obama tried to close it, sort of indifferently, but was blocked by the Republican Congress.

    So?
     
  23. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    Obama had control of both houses for the first 6 months so it wasn't a priority of his despite making an election promise to close it sown.
     

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