The Mueller investigation.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Quantum Quack, Feb 17, 2018.

  1. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    The Russian head of NATO? Kind of hard to formulate strategies for a multinational army without any information whatsoever.

    Unless your in favor of disbanding NATO or kicking out Russia in favor of China so Biden can stuff his own personal coffers.

    Why is it that you believe every other country is evil? The media formulated your opinions that way perhaps.

    Take it from someone who's opinion doesn't matter. People have the ability to be evil. Societies can just be psychologically retarded.

    8 years of darkness regarding our foreign affairs. Trump changed that. Be happy with what pittance your brain can muster and stop shouting "crime" "murder" "illegal" and "hypocracy" at every bit of information.

    Information is meant to inform. Not to cause further injustice.
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Did we just read you claim that Russia was a member of NATO?
    Almost everything you post here is simply false, but that would stand out even among your posting.
    You post nothing but falsehoods. Why?
    You refuse to become informed. Why?
    Every other country is foreign, with its own interests.

    Some of them are opponents, who go out of their way to injure the US (meddling in elections, arming themselves and threatening the US, damaging alliances and treaties of value to us, etc). Secretly giving classified information to them is a serious crime. It's what spies do, and are sometimes shot for doing.

    Some of them are allies, who help us and agree to behave in mutually beneficial ways. But they still have interests of their own - so secretly giving classified information to them is also a serious crime. It's what spies do, and are jailed for doing.

    The question of whether Trump was handing classified information to an opponent or an ally (he has done both - Israel the ally, Russia the opponent) of the US bears more on the likely penalty - with Russia, execution would be on the table. Afaik the US doesn't use firing squads any more, so the means would be a court decision.
    Reagan formulated that opinion. His hold on the corporate media was legendary - the "Great Communicator" - so his labeling of "Evil Empire" and so forth caught on among the Republican base almost immediately. And they are the ones using that vocabulary to this day.
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  5. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

    Ironically, the info Trump shared with Russia originally came from Israel, and the latter was none too happy when he shared it.
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  7. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    Case closed!
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

    You are now arguing that we should give our rivals confidential information because otherwise they can't "formulate strategies." Not letting them formulate strategies is WHY we don't give them confidential information.
    I don't. Do you?
    Yes, they do. We have a president who's pretty evil now.
    Trump has been the most opaque, secretive president in decades. We only find out what he's done after a reporter exposes his misdeeds.
    Ah, so I assume that you take great issue with Trump withholding information he promised to give us?
  9. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    Opaque is shutting down coal mines and putting workers out of a job by enforcing strict regulations for the express purpose of shutting them down.

    Wiki NATO. They use words like "mutual"
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Sounds completely transparent. Where's the opacity?
    Ha! You did post that Russia was part of NATO, above.
    In comparison with what is available to them, the average Trump voter is the most ignorant, gullible adult man on the planet earth.
  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    well if they are not shut down by whom ever, they will certainly be shut down by the weather... hee hee did I just make a rhyme...
    whom ever - weather hee hee
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  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

    That's pretty much the definition of transparent. They said they were going to do it, they explained why they were going to do it, and then they did it. Good for them. Nice to see politicians who don't lie constantly.
  13. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    I like you. Don't disappoint me. You have studied long and hard to find your beliefs. I respect that. Even if I don't always understand every part of your text... I understand the reasoning behind them.
  14. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    When I say it's done it's never done.

    8 more years!
  15. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Oh how Trumpian of you..... hee hee
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    I will tell you one thing,
    I would not want to be in Trump's or his administrations shoes for all the Soy Bean in China.
    What with the agricultural collapse pending in the mid west, economic catastrophe due to investor uncertainty, the loss of global monetary control ( The USA Dollar is about to become redundant) hostility from the Mexican Border due to bully/extortion tactics.

    Do you have any idea how much money Trump has lost for the USA?
    All those sales contracts not signed, investments postponed etc amounts to trillions.
    Car manufacturing alone has yet to show the results of Trumpian economics.
    His military weapons sales, self generated by stiring up trouble isn't going to be enough to offset the massive losses pending revelation.
    All this will happen in or around 2020 and add to that massive ongoing and increasing natural disaster expenses and you have a perfect storm brewing that no one would want to step into.

    Nah! Vote 1 Trump, he is the perfect economics suicide bomber just waiting to go off when he and we have to deal with the consequences of his lies and deceptions.

    What do you expect from a Russian elected POTUS any how?

    2020 is going to be a really interesting year that is for sure...
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  17. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    The US dollar has been redundant since it was disassociated with the gold standard.

    Uncertainty caused Martha Stewart to serve a jail term...

    Well put your stock in Mexican currency. All time low with a potential for an all time high.

    Sales to who? He doesn't sign every sales contract. Companies have their own heads and decide for themselves.

    Car manufacturing has hit a plateau. Between electric and gas powered cars we have it all figured out. Investements in redundant ideas return redundant dollars.

    Please tell me you aren't stupid enough to believe in global warming. Gravity doesn't allow carbon to react with the atmosphere and even if it did melting ice would reflect less of it into the atmosphere. The variables are too massive to compute.

    Every military sale depends on the morals of the purchaser. Not the investment in dollars.

    Ill give free bullets to kill psychopaths, just like ill pay taxes to fry murderers off teslas invention of alternating currwnt. (Or pay for their food in prison till they die) .

    You don't want to be president? criticize in a constructive manner. It hasn't been hard until now, but ill tell ya if you have a good idea it will be implemented.
  18. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    You can't even relate a conventional oven vs a convection oven! #globalforming
  19. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    It's about to get more redundant then....
    Who is Martha Stewart and how does it relate to what I posted?
    yeah... way to go.. the Mexicans are really happy about that...neighbor!
    I dunno, the local supermarket with Californian navel oranges ( here in Australia) can't sell em because of local angst directed at the USA for allowing a fool like Trump to ruin the patch. Is that a contract?
    I doubt very much whether companies are really all that keen signing up to contracts that wont be honored by the USA. Especially as the USA dollar is facing more redundancy in the longer term.
    How can a major company have any faith in The USA's capacity to honor the deals it signs when Trump has managed to cancel and extort just about every international deal on the table...
    and why is global industry, including big oil swinging towards renewable's do you think?
    just for fun I guess...
    Yeah I gave up on the problem of variables ages ago. I just work on some basic figures like ocean temp increase leading to increased evaporation etc... local trees and flowers no longer in seasonal synch ... that sort of thingo...

    I do not need a climate scientist to tell me what is staring me in the face...
    Do you?
    well you know, stir up trouble with North Korea is worth a trillion or so in weapons sales..Iran a few more and well it has nothing to do with the buyers morals..but more about the USA 's need to offset the tax cuts to the wealth granted earlier by Trump.
    As with the Tariffs, got to pay for those tax cuts somehow....
    Don't tell me you actually believe what the White House is saying?

    why how very psychopathic of you....
    oh I am... you haven't seen the bad stuff yet...but as I suggested you are about to...
    2020 is going to be really interesting so hang on to your seat, it might get blown away.....

    It's way to late to prevent now any how. Trump has made sure of that...all we can do is to prepare to pick up the pieces, scrape all those suicides off the pavement and do the best we can....
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  20. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    You can't sell oranges to the #1 exporter of oranges. What a surprise.

    Suicide rate is down over here. Homicide rate is up in Australia.

    I don't have a choice who I pay to kill. That's taxes.

    Your on a continent that is mostly dessert... Plant some cacti. They flower.

    Overseas tariffs make US dollars.

    I don't believe the white house. I just disbelieve a person who doesn't know who Martha Stewart is.
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  21. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    CNBC just goes to show you two retarded ideas don't equal one smart one. # Tipping point
  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    you need to do a little research before posting... it ain't hard to google...

    Suicide is a major national public health issue in the United States. In 2016, there were 44,965 recorded suicides,[2] up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS).[3][4][5] On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years.[6][7] Due to the stigma surrounding suicide, it is suspected that suicide generally is underreported.[8] In April 2016, the CDC released data showing that the suicide rate in the United States had hit a 30-year high,[9][10] and later in June 2018, released further data showing that the rate has continued to increase and has increased in every U.S. state except Nevada since 1999.[11][12] Surging death rates from suicide, drug overdoses and alcoholism are largely responsible for the decline of life expectancy in the U.S.
    My point stands though 2020 will be interesting...

    perhaps but when the export demand exceeds supply, cheaper USA alternatives are imported....(smaller fruit content - thicker skin - same over all size)
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    You didn't have much of a choice in your POTUS either.. the Ruskies made sure of that... eh?.

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