The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    It is worth noting the possible timing association...
    The USA led battle for Raqqa has begun on Tuesday.
    Shortly afterwards Qatar is effectively quarantined, shut down and out...
    ( this may have even been sanctioned clandestinely by the Qatar government as a away of dealing with a "hidden" internal Qatar problem that relates to ISIL in Raqqa )

    Now we have the attacks in Iran

    So ...uhm...something is up..
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not "world peace" - nuclear war.
    They did -= all the alternatives, including Clinton. There is no higher risk of nuclear war than Trump - recall that the most likely initiation would be accident or incompetence, and that's Trump all the way.
    Why would you assume he is bluffing?
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/...ump.html?_r=1&referer=https://www.google.com/
    Comey Told Sessions: Don’t Leave Me Alone With Trump

    Well well well...
     
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  7. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    You don't? Ok, I take back my "everybody".
     
  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe Trump thinks he is/was bluffing regarding any of his claims... at least, not when he made said claims.

    The man previously ran a business where nobody could/would tell him "NO"... he thought he could run a country / the world the same way. Unfortunately for him, that just isn't reality.
     
  9. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Really? In the business nobody could tell him No? What's this for a business? (Or do you simply mean his staff? This would make some sense, he probably has not faces in any of his firms such a complete sabotage as he faces now. But this would not be the correct analogy in the context. I was talking about bluff against other independent players like NK or Iran.)
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Pretty much - otherwise, do you think he would have left so many contractors, builders, and others out hundreds of thousands (sometimes millions) of dollars in unpaid costs and fees? Any accountant worth a damn would make sure those get paid... but they're probably all afraid of the orange tyrant shouting "YOU'RE FIRED!"

    So you claim the requirement that he follow the laws and constitution of the United States, as well as international agreements, is somehow sabotage?
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    On a normal day in a normal time one would be more skeptical of conspiracies like the one you have hinted at, but today, one has to seriously consider it, especially when you consider the fact that it now appears Russia set up Qatar with its hackers. But it's not working. The heat is still on Thrumper and it's not going away.
     
  12. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not. Your "so" suggests some strange fantasies about how to interpret my texts.
     
  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Then what and who is supposedly sabotaging Trumps administration?

    Was it Democrats that prevented the passage of an abysmal health care bill the first time around? Nope, it was Republicans.
    Who is it that keep taking to twitter and calling his own executive orders a "travel ban" or a "muslim ban"? Maybe it was Rudolph!

    Sorry, the only one sabotaging Trump is his own ineptitude.
     
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  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's not sabotage, it's the setup. Government is not business - he owns none of it, it's not working for him but for the country, the only people in it who are even allowed to take orders from him uncritically are the military folks (and notice with whom he gets along the best).
    He will bluff.

    He will also come in high and hard and even unreasonable when negotiating - a good tactic in private and sequestered negotiations, can be a liability in public ones. That's not bluffing, per se, though similar.

    But he will also act - he's not all talk, and he has a very capable military (that supports him, btw, as they supported W and Reagan).

    If people start carelessly assuming he is bluffing, he will be cornered into following through even if he didn't want to in the first place. And there's a likely place your nuclear war starts, if it starts in the US.
     
  15. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Trump cornered into following what he claimed yesterday? LOL. His bluff was already called by Kim Jong Un, and he appeared not cornered at all.

    And those who have to care most, the Iran, is not carelessly assuming whatever, but is well-prepared over many years now to meet an American aggression, which was always on the table, as well as they were the probable target of Hitlary http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2016/07/28/middle-east-prepares-for-hillarys-war/
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe it was intended or planned to be a diversion ( of course it is possible but i don't think Trump admin has the nous to pull something like that off.)
    It is possible that Trump leaked confidential intel to the Saudis during that "big" meeting that provided compromising insight into Qatar's ISIL involvement or alternatively that Qatar has provided info to the USA that has somehow breached a code of conduct, trust between the ARAB states involved.
    Who knows?
    Either way it must have been extreme to force the shut down of an entire nation in such a ruthless fashion. (including telecommunications?) The sheer dollars involved would be enormous and growing by the hour.
    I do not think the Russian hacker fake news planted idea washes too well, given the extreme and unprecedented outcomes. Nay! Something a hell of lot more significant has happened to bring this on...IMO

    As posted in another thread, CIA reluctance to give testimony is also telling...Perhaps the timing is not good all round...and the CIA is between a rock and a hard place due to "someones" indiscretions and they are attempting to discover just how much damage has and will be done.
    So... we have many associated events all happening like a roller coaster and I believe it all finds it's starting point at the announcement that the attack on Raqqa has begun. ( trigger )
    ( You may recall that Trump did ask for plans to be put forward in dealing with ISIL sometime ago..well no news is good news yes?)
     
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  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Also I sat through a most extraordinary "Meet the press" event via SBS national TV involving ex CIA Clapper.
    I find it incredible that a patriot such as Clapper could be so strong in his public criticism of the Trump administration to a gallery of Australian press. He came across as a man sitting helplessly on a sinking ship with nothing to be done but hold his breath as he fielded serious questions about the competency of the current USA administration.

    I found it unprecedented... but maybe I am just ignorant of precedent!
     
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  18. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Trump doesn't have the nous, but his Russia sponsor does.
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    He wasn't. Sooner or later he will be.
    And so that is one of the several arenas in which Trump is more likely to start a nuclear war than most other people - certainly far more likely than Clinton.
     
  20. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Hm. Once a war against NK was not on the wish list of the deep state, he was not cornered to start it. But if it goes against Iran, where the war is on the wish list, he will be cornered? Ok, this cannot be excluded as a possibility. Remember how great became Trump for all the Anti-Trumpers in the media once he bombed Syria.
     
  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Not quite. As an Americanism, the word can convey a certain range of uncertainty including earnest, sarcastic, or cynical among its myriad potential. But interpretation does come into it because the "so" is also just a marker, in this case perhaps a bit resigned, attending definitions↱ such as "thus", "then, subsequently", and, "therefore, consequently". The marker indicates a reengagement or reestablishment.

    You did, after all, play the fool↑, and rather quite foolishly. Donald Trump was and is infamously controlling and demanding in his business dealings. As the general figure of speech goes, nobody told him no. Compared to your later analysis of the word "so", that manner of idiotic, clodhopping naïveté—

    —stands out even more than it would on its own. Still, even in its own context—

    —your invocation, ex nihilo, of sabotage is precisely non sequitur. The word "so" reestablishes the discourse as a quasi-conclusion: If this bit about sabotage is relevant, then how? To the one, yes, it requires interpretation. To the other, Kittamaru's question—

    —is, in that context, pretty straightforward. Well, you know, unless the whole "sabotage" bit really is irrelevant. You kind of boxed yourself in, there.

    The question remains:

    I can think of a few answers, but none of them attend a narrative sympathetic to President Puerile Trump.
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    "So". Merriam-Webster. 2011. Merriam-Webster.com. 7 June 2017. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/so
     
  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    So Trump offers to mediate the Qatar crisis... how uhm... transparent ....
     
  23. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    If you look at the investigations into Trump, there is no evidence of anything against the law. This was not a big deal until Trump won the election. The entire push was based on the liberal dual standard and PC gossip, that does not apply to themselves.

    For example, yesterday Attorney General Sessions just ended a practice, started under the Obama Administration and his Attorney General Holder, where corporations could be shaken down to give donations to left wing organizations, in exchange for lenient sentences. This is the type of lawlessness that should be investigated. If Trump was to do this, it would be called a crime, even if Obama did this on many occasions to pad liberal coffers. The dual standard of leftist hypocrisy would be in affect.

    The same is true of the trump up collusion charges against Trump, since Obama had secret meetings with Iran, a known terrorist state. While Hillary's private server had finger prints from at least five countries who hacked her server. Trump is only concerned with the law, and not leftist gossip, conspiracy theory and hypocrisy, which appeals to the left.

    Former FBI director Comey will testify today and will say there is nothing against the law. But he will also cater to the gossip mongers who will think Comey is helping their case in the court of busy bodies, who have too much time on their hands.
     

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