Is what it means to be a woman being fundamentally challenged if not destroyed by trans politics? Recently over the past few years there's been a growing discontent between the Trans community and Radical feminists. Trans women, those who are post op and pre op and those who choose not to op are insisting that they all be called 'women' by other women and react with emotive language and bullying to force acceptance from groups they consider 'exclusionary' or TERFS (trans exclusionary radical feminists). TERFS always describes lesbians, feminists or any woman who does not consider trans women as real women, its generally considered a slur. According to Trans theory a woman can have a penis, a man can have a baby because as they put it your genitals don't determine your gender and they deny biological sex as being relevant at all. Actually they deny its existence, anywho... The question is do women, feminists, lesbians have a right to their own spaces? Should they be forced to accept men who say they are women into those spaces? This is all happening in a climate when every 'identity' group is out carving 'safe spaces' for themselves so I find it amusing but not surprising that its female spaces that are now being forced to open themselves up to other groups. When a woman decides she's a male without even going through transition insists on joining a MGTOW group we'll see what happens. Michfest, Michigan Womyn's Mustic Festival came under attack. "In the summer of 2003, Julia Serano, a Trans activist, joined about a hundred people at Camp Trans, a protest camp near the Michfest site, which has run intermittently since 1994. Serano said that relations with Michfest attendees were often unexpectedly cordial. A few years ago, though, Vogel says, some protesters committed acts of vandalism—stealing electrical cables, cutting water pipes, keying cars in the parking lot, and spray-painting a six-foot penis, and the words “Real Women Have Dicks,” on the side of the main kitchen tent."http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2 The bombardment and harassment became so intense that it was finally shut down. The founder decided it was better not to have the festival than be forced to open it up to transgender women. Performers such as Indigo Girls were persuaded to boycott the event because it was 'exclusive' and 'transphobic'. For the moment the answer is no, women are not allowed their own space but being forced to open up their spaces or be called bigots. Feminists such as Sheila Jefferys, Germaine Greer and Julie Bindel to name a few have all been No Platformed by trans activists and their allies. Strange isn't it? They're being called transphobic, Queer bashers when they are not called right out bitches. They are called out for being gender critical, rejecting the idea that gender is some sort of irreducible essence, wholly distinct from biological sex or socialization. They have forced RadFem to include trans women into their women groups. Failure to comply is punished by name calling, shaming and having trans people gate crash events solely to shut them down. Julie Serrano a trans activist is offended by these women, she claims "it’s akin to straight people refusing to share a locker room with gays or lesbians." Except gays and lesbians share the same sex as straight men and women. There are incidents such as this one where trans activists burst into a Woman's library demanding representation More frequently feminists cannot organize without being bombarded by trans activists The chant they use against these women is "Trans woman are women", to think or state or believe otherwise is heresy. Which brings us to the bathroom issue, many feminists groups are against trans women having access to female only bathrooms and dressing rooms because as they put it, any man whether he dresses as a woman or not has access to a woman's space just by declaring himself a self-identified woman. Obviously trans men and women who look like their gender of choice don't have a problem since no one views them as the opposite sex than what they appear so access doesn't really apply to them. It applies to people like Danielle Muscato, an atheist activist who identifies as a trans woman. You can take a look at him here Should that guy be allowed in a woman's locker room or bathroom? If you believe in the bathroom law then the answer will have to be yes. So what does trans access to 'women's spaces' mean? It means access to rape & domestic violence centers and women shelters, women's bathrooms, dressing rooms, showers, female prisons, women's athletic sports, even the Olympics allows trans women to compete against other women. It also means trans women gain access to the financial resources allocated to that specific group called 'women'. Is this reasonable? Now here is where it gets strange if you don't find it so already. Trans activists have created a new term called "the cotton ceiling" what they perceive as transmisogyny. It refers to trans women's feeling of rejection by women, mostly lesbians, who refuse to choose them as sexual partners because, well, they're men. They see this as a kind of discrimination and something that must change. So what does it mean when a man with a penis insists that a lesbian is being discriminatory because she doesn't buy into the propaganda that trans women are women? Isn't this just another form of men disempowering women? I'm just asking. This guy explains it really well. I call him a guy because he still has a penis Is this what's become of the Left? What a fucking mess! Like my grandmother used to say "Let god come take his world". LOL! I'm going to bet this thread doesn't do well, first because its about women and second because it would force people to confront the lie that trans people are not the sex they say they are and I know how much the sciforum community prides itself on political correctness. So shoot. Anyone anywhere see a problem with this? And why is there no similar dispute concerning women who transition to men? Why aren't trans men banging on the doors of male only spaces demanding validation? Google 'feminist websites' and you will find that most you click on feature issues concerning trans women and not women which makes me wonder when the women's movement stopped being a women's movement.