Trump is "a clear and present danger"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Ivan Seeking, Aug 9, 2016.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I agree that the President holds far less power over the economy and world events than most people think.

    However I am not claiming that he is responsible for the economy, other than very indirectly. I am claiming that the president IS responsible for starting some wars - Vietnam and Iraq specifically. There was no Congressional declaration of war for either one. Vietnam was a "limited police action" and Iraq was merely a "use of force" to stamp out Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. More importantly, his actions can prevent war, as in the case of the missile crisis.
    In most cases I agree with you. However, again, the one place that is not true is in the case of war. He and he alone can launch the US's nuclear weapons, and he can do so quickly and with no checks on that power. (This is out of necessity; missiles can reach us far faster than Congress can come to any decisions.)
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That's not what Reagan did, or W. Or, looking back, Kennedy, Eisenhower, FDR, Wilson, Lincoln, Jackson, etc.
    I have no such intentions, and no relevant capabilities.

    Neither does any System such as you describe.

    So who, or what, do imagine has them?
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    uhm... a heavy dose of paranoia!... the fight against Magog! Qualified speculation that was far from qualified... an over indulgent state of national self-righteousness?
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Forrest :What is the role of leadership any way?
     
  8. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    You wouldn't believe this is the 21st century when you read stuff like as follows as a rational for the Iraq war:
    President George W. Bush told Jacques Chirac, "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East". "This confrontation", he urged the French leader, "is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase His people's enemies before a new age begins".[119] Chirac consulted a professor at the Faculty of Theology of the University of Lausanne (Switzerland) to explain Bush's reference.[120]
    re: wiki

    Where have we heard this before... "this war is willed by God" ...Jihadists perhaps...
     
  9. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Ok that might explain why we have been destroying the secular governments in the area.

    Crazy runs deep in the deep state.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    But not why we destroyed their predecessors and set them up in the first place.

    Nothing deep about it. It's been front and center, floating on the surface and flying on the flagpole, for your entire adult life -


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand...le:Wallace_at_University_of_Alabama_edit2.jpg
    https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/...H13e8vPOKVMR7jcm9Q_-jeJJ1hf6EEEe5AFLnp_1T8paH
     
  11. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    Should this be a concern or is this just part of the design?

    If that makes you feel better. Certainly nothing wrong with believing or feeling whatever you wish.

    Every time I go to the store and spend a dollar it is my intention to keep the System going as it is. Every time I spend a dollar I cast my vote for the System. It's certainly not what I want to do. I would prefer everything to be free. But slaves rarely get to do what they want. Each and everyone of us are equal participants in this System. The fact that you are typing responses into this thread proves that you are just as much a participant in this System as everyone else. We all have our part in this society. You are the programmer. You are the designer. Again, everything is playing out exactly as it is intended to. The System is doing exactly what it has been designed to do. We are responsible for everything that happens in this world. I know you probably won't agree with that, but that's ok. It doesn't really matter. Given enough time we eventually learn what we need to from our surroundings. The phrase, "The world is what we make it.", is more than just some bumper sticker slogan. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

    Ummm, nope. No fear or paranoia here.

    I have no interest in nations or borders. The phrase "God bless America", or any other country that uses similar slogans to single out their country apart from the rest is arrogant and a slap in the face to the rest of the world. Patriotism is a separatist attitude and a cancerous mindset.
     
  12. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    will Teresa Barnwell be the next president?
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It is a concern if the person exercising those powers is inexperienced, ignorant, aggressive or has a history of making poor decisions.
     
  14. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Did you mean like these decisions?

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    from billvon:
    "No wonder so many people worldwide have a low opinion of us."
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Do you actually believe that sillyass cartoon describes decisions made by Clinton (Afghanistan? Iraq? Egypt? Syria?), or are you making fun of the decisions made by the cartoonist?

    Here's another by the deep thinking Ben Garrison (I'm pretty sure this one's actually one of his, and not a slanderfake): https://grrrgraphics.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/trump_adult_in_room_ben_garrison.jpg?w=640&h=485
    And here's a link to Garrison's own cult leader, a man with serious mommy issues: https://freedomainradio.com/about/

    Sample of Molyneux wisdom, as quoted by one of those liberal media women (Jessica Roy): "If we could just get people to be nice to their babies for five years straight, that would be it for war, drug abuse, addiction, promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, ... Almost all would be completely eliminated, because they all arise from dysfunctional early childhood experiences, which are all run by women"

    Because while the argument is supposed to be about Statism, and phony wars, and bad childraising, and so forth, the illustrations of evil never seem to have the W's and Cheneys and Romneys and Reagans and Trumps of this world in them. Only Obamas and Clintons and the like. Any idea why that is?
     
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  16. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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  18. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    Well, let me put it this way. There are over 7 billion of us on this planet. If at least a critical mass of over 7 billion people cannot obtain the intellectual capacity to discover methods that would lead to measures preventing our leaders from going all crazy and doing something stupid leading to dire consequences, then the over 7 billion people deserve no better. Our leaders, especially the POTUS, may certainly have a lot of control, because that has been given to them, but by their self they most certainly do not have all the power. Their perceived power is an illusion.



    Anyway, there is nothing to fear from our leaders. The only thing there is truly to fear is yourself. You, me, and everyone around us are the ones who ultimately decide what our world will be.
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    We have. We can, for example, vote them out of office, and vote others in. We set that up for a reason.
    Yeah, childish temper tantrums like that. The "both sides" argument that got us W&Cheney, and is currently being employed as an argument for Trump.

    The abrogation of adult judgment and responsibility, the refusal to own up to the consequences of past behavior, and the assignment of blame to everybody else more or less equally. Followed by voting for Trump, for reasons never quite made clear.
     
  20. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    Ahh cool. Then there should be no reason for concern if the President exercising his power to launch the US's nuclear weapons, and do so quickly and with no checks on that power, is inexperienced, ignorant, aggressive or has a history of making poor decisions.
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You really have "no reason for concern" over the possibility of an unprovoked and unnecessary nuclear war? If so, then you have a very different morality than I do.
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No. That is a cartoon rather than reality. It's not hard to tell the difference.
     
  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Both.
     

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