UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Then you're lying. Good job!
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I am not lying. You wouldn't know truth if it bit you on the nose.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    And a hypocrite.

    You bandy the word "liar" around because it means nothing to you.
     
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    You forgot me! I used it too!

    To make it memorable, I posted it (post # 5614) along with a picture of Inspector Drebin from Police Squad telling onlookers, "Move along, nothing to see here!" while all hell breaks loose behind him.

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  9. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I remember a time when you posted this, but it wasn't out of the blue. It was likely a sarcastic response to being told repeatedly that the tic tac flying object could have been a weather balloon. lol!!
     
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  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Nice try. I was sarcastically quoting skeptics saying it. Again, you lie.
     
  11. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Omg I was right, I was just guessing from memory. ''Balloon...'' is mentioned above, then MR's response.

    I might play the lottery tonight.

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  12. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Beyond the obvious, I disagree. It's dragging the thread, even now, into philosophy, when this thread is about UFOs!

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    The last thing it needs is to be dragged into anything remotely interesting like matters of epistemology!
    To the first: relatively, on a personal level. I.e. if the claim ranks 1 then the evidence should rank 1; if the claim ranks 10 then the evidence likewise. Obviously what one person considers a 1 another might consider at a different level, depending on their experiences, knowledge etc.
    To the second: to be convinced. That much should be fairly uncontentious, I'd have thought.
    Meh. It's certainly the first and undoubtedly an element of the second, but I'm not sure anyone is considering prescriptive. It's on a par with Occam's razor. It doesnt' lead to the truth but it's a damn fine means of focussing one's thinking.
    Because it generally works. It's as objective as rationality itself.
    Which is to conclude "we don't know". I.e. they're making no claim. No problem with that.
    If you're not making a claim then it doesn't apply. If you're assessing the claim: "it's aliens!" then how extraordinary do you consider that claim to be? Is the evidence as extraordinary as the claim? Ultimately: are you convinced of the claim by the evidence?

    But bear in mind that the adage is not intended as anything other than a guide to how to think about evidence in relation to the claim being made. It is similar to Occam's razor. The philosophy of it may be interesting in and of itself, but in context here it seems, to me at least, serious overanalysis when the only important thing is whether the intent is communicated. And I think it is. No more thus need be said about it.

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    But I look forward, as ever, to your joyful disagreement.

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  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You used that phrase. You called me a liar when I said so. So I quoted you. Tell SciFo its quote feature is a liar.

    Reported for lying, then doubling down with more, and then tripling down when shown in black and white with your own words you were wrong. This is beneath even you. Shame.
     
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  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    • It is appropriate behaviour not to tell lies. If, however, you do tell lies and are caught out, you should at least have the decency to apologise for your poor behaviour.
    LOL! You have a history of overreporting my posts for contrived infractions. I'd be careful if I were you. You could be construed as becoming a drain on the moderators' time and energy.
     
  16. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Let’s change the subject…

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    So, are there any other similar sightings like the tic tac object that we know of?
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You mean besides the dozens of cases posted in this thread already? Yes..but when I bring up new cases I am usually flamed for changing the subject.
     
  18. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm, I wouldn't say dozens; many of those weren't in the same league as the tic tac video (my opinion) - in terms of coming away not knowing what they could be. Those could be explained away once we started digging further into the possible explanations.

    Would you believe that the tic tac object is that of a ''secret'' military aircraft? (US or foreign)
     
  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..It's doubtful that the military has any technology advanced enough to perform the extraordinary maneuvers witnessed of the tic tac. It would definitely surprise me if it did at least..
     
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    ^ Not sure it can be claimed that it "dissapeared into ocean" but rather, as the reporter said, they lost track when it went behind a hill. Also, the analysis someone did of comparison to an LED kite is reasonable. I mean, it doesn't move much like the specific LED kites he did the direct comparison with, but it seems sufficient to suggest something similar might be the cause. Possibly nighttime paragliding? Sure, something was in the sky that was unusual (in the "you don't see that every day" kind of unusual) and maybe we'll never know for sure, but looks to be in the LED family for me.

    Plus, it's quit scary what kites can be made to look like with LEDs....

    Just another thing that supposed evidence for alien visitation will have to contend with.

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  22. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    That’s pretty incredible!

    Definitely a UFO hoaxster’s dream.
     
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    Why would there be an non-skeptics? Or rather, what is the mindset that would make one a non-skeptic (in general).

    I understand that if you saw a space ship, went inside, took it for a spin, then you wouldn't be skeptical as to the existence of that space ship but since that isn't the case how to come to have no skepticism in your life about anything? Is there really such a person?

    How could anyone not be skeptical about aliens from space?

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    I don't personally see anything remarkable about the tic tac video either.
     
  24. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    We’ve (somewhat) moved past space aliens now, Seattle. A few pages back, we were discussing that these UAP’s could have mundane, yet unusual explanations. Mundane being “of this world,” yet still something we’ve never witnessed or experienced, like an advanced form of technology or secret military aircraft of some type. Not saying we’ve concluded that’s what the tic tac object was but just giving an example of something mundane, yet …extraordinary.
     
  25. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Have not seen any for Mentos Mints

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