UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I’ll take “we don’t know” over swift dismissal and incessant mockery. Progress, MR.

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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    To be fair, there's only about 10 people doing the mockery.

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  5. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Ten too many, Seattle. Ten too many. lol

    Joking aside, I like this new friendlier version of the UAP thread. I’m learning about escape velocity which is pretty mind blowing, I have to say.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    This strikes me as poor science.
    Why was it necessary to use a specially-developed observation technique? What's wrong with tried and true cameras etc.?
    What does "contrast" mean, here?
    Sounds very vague indeed. Problem in translation, perhaps?
    Wait! Ships? What ships?

    Is there some kind of evidence of ships? Where is that evidence?
    Squadrons????
    It looks like somebody is jumping to conclusions. Or had a preferred conclusion in mind right from the start, before any data was collected.

    A speed in "degrees per second" doesn't tell us much. That's just a measure of how fast an object appears to cross the field of view of the camera. To find the object's linear speed, we'd need to know how far away from the camera it was, in addition. Was that determined by this researcher? How?
    Just bright objects in general, or is this what was detected in this study?
    The objects were in space, then? Not in the atmophere?
    What method was used to measure albedo? Was there some kind of active detection used?
    ??
    What are these methods? Does the paper explain them?
    Distances from what?
    How were these estimates made?

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    I look forward to your detailed answers, Magical Realist, since I'm sure you've read the article. You have, haven't you?
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It remains to be seen what is proven and what is not, from this "study".

    What are the credentials of the researchers, by the way, and what are their affiliations?
    As usual.
    Or it might not.
    I hear they are "squadrons" of "ships", but so far I've seen no evidence that supports that conclusion.

    Got any?
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Is there a question or a point of discussion?

    I look forward to reading your analysis of this "work".
     
  10. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    In the Pascal-A underground nuclear test on July 26, 1957, a metal manhole cover over the shaft leading down 150 meters to the detonation came off the top of the hole with a velocity that might have been several times Earth's escape velocity. It's unclear if it ever made it to space, since it might have burned up in the admosphere during its upward ascent, like a meteor in reverse.

    https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/fastest-manmade-object-manhole-cover-nuclea-test/
     
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  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    If it only appeared in one frame would the frame rate of the camera help to at least give a range of velocities?

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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. They did that calculation.

    "A high-speed camera, which took one frame per millisecond, was focused on the borehole because studying the velocity of the plate was deemed scientifically interesting. After the detonation, the plate appeared in only one frame, but this was enough to make an estimation of its speed. Dr. Brownlee joked the best estimate of the cover's speed from the photographic evidence was it was "going like a bat!". Brownlee estimated that the explosion, combined with the specific design of the shaft, could accelerate the plate to approximately six times Earth's escape velocity."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob#Missing_steel_bore_cap
     
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  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks

    Doubt the team is still around but if a somewhat similar group is I'd like to contact them and ask about if they could calculate the objective speed of time

    Subjective is well known (should be we invented it (agreed upon it)

    So why did we construct our own version of time?

    when
    Was not objectively real time good enough for us?

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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is way off-topic.
     
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  16. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Yah, I expect any hypothetical space aliens would suffer the same problem, especially with respect to those that hadn't upgraded from their original bodies or whatever life-facilitating substrate.

    Biology had no choice but to introduce its own temporal standard for consciousness, due to the dependence on summarizing aggregations of "rapid" particle, atom, and molecular events as one extremely "slow", higher-level mental event.

    Our cognition discriminates and displays environmental changes that endure for "long" milliseconds. Whereas subatomic changes can occur within the range of ludicrously short yoctoseconds.

    In essence, a bulky increment of conscious experience can't even "fit" into the temporal increments of the non-represented world's rate of change. The former spans over a vast series of electrochemical changes in the brain, as well the chunk-sequence of alterations that contribute to its appearance/manufacture beforehand.

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  17. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Good luck to the craft and any human occupants that is shot up to space with that acceleration.

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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Suspect they would finish up flatter than a manhole cover

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  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984
     
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  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Did they (Party) give any suggestion what to replace the evidence of your eyes and ears with?

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  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Whatever some armchair skeptic says.

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