Were Adam & Eve The First Ever Humans?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Jan Ardena, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    1. http://counselingoneanother.com/2012/02/13/20-ways-satan-may-seek-to-destroy-you/
    Try to overcome that "spin" in a few well considered words.
     
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    Namu amida butsu, I wish someone would fix that typo.
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Desire and ignorance lie at the root of suffering.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Are you sure? What is suffering?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affect_(psychology)

    It is a fundamental physical experience. We can share the chemical motor response with someone else's "suffering". The empathic mirror response in our mirror neural network.

    Quorum Sensing.

    Hence the universal imperative of "movement in the direction of greatest satisfaction" (away from discomfort, suffering).
     
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  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    The only certainty is uncertainty.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Genesis 1:27 NKJV: So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
    Genesis 3:1 NCV: Now the snake was the most clever of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day the snake said to the woman, “Did God really say that you must not eat fruit from any tree in the garden?”
    Genesis 19 NKJV: Then they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father.

    That's what the Bible says.

    If you want to alter it to support your agenda, feel free. But I will laugh at any attempt to claim that your altered version is the "true" version.
    Of course it is.

    It's also absurd to claim that God created Man from dust, given that humans are mostly water. It's absurd to claim that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, or that Adam lived 930 years, or that Noah got two of every single land animal onto a boat. But that is what the Bible SAYS. Right there, in black and white. Why not accept it, instead of trying to deny it and substitute your own claims?

    Exactly.

    Genesis 1:27 NKJV: So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
    Genesis 3:1 NCV: Now the snake was the most clever of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day the snake said to the woman, “Did God really say that you must not eat fruit from any tree in the garden?”
    Genesis 19 NKJV: Then they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father.

    You don't have to pretend anything. The Bible isn't literally true. Even though it says that Adam was the first man, and all humans came from Adam and Eve - it's a myth. It's not literally true. Genesis isn't even one myth; it is two, concatenated together. That's why they contradict one another.
    No, you would have to accept what is actually written in the Bible - and that the Bible isn't literally true. And that would crush your entire belief system. And we have all seen to what silly lengths you will go to to defend your belief system.
     
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    I don't buy that. That's existentialism.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

    I believe that their are certain cosmic constants which are valid for all possible spacetime configurations. Certain physical values and mathematical functions seem to be universally constant.

    Even in chaos patterns may be found.
     
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    Existentialism is passive activity, and Buddhism is active passivity.

    (There is no riddle that Google can not solve.)
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It is a perfect example of God "confounding our language". No one knows the true face of god.
    We are created in His image?
    Confound me, please.........

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    Founded on certain cosmic constants, no?
    It depends on the perspective and logic of the argument, no?
    Shared reality is achieved by concensus agreement, a very sophisticated form of quorum sensing and sentience.
     
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    Confound me some more.......

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    Sorry, but when I seek enlightenment, why on earth would I want to begin with considering stuff which is not to be taken literally? Seems like the long way around, no?

    I prefer to experience my world from known properties, which I can take literally and which allow me to make "appropriate" decisions, based on predictable results.

    Such assumptions that not your atoms but your soul ascends to the heavens. If I spread my ashes in the forest to fertilize a young sapling, I might continue to exist for maybe a thousand years. I may become immortal, just spread out a little....

    Going the long way around never leads to appropriate decisions, as holistic as they may seem.
     
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  17. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn’t claim that.

    Why is that absurd?

    You know when you read this verse...

    And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    Out of curiosity, do you think this verse relates to one man, or mankind?

    Jan.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It does if you read it literally. Scholars have gone through and added up all the ages claimed in the Bible (like Adam's 930 years) and come up with times between Biblical creation and recorded history (like the crucifixion of Christ.) There is some slop, of course, because often intervening times (like how long before someone bore their first child) are not described in the Bible; that could be as young as 13 or so and as old as the Bible claimed they lived. The extremes of the ranges of claimed dates for creation are 3616 BC (Yom-Tov Lipmann Heller) to 6984 BC (Alfonso of Castille) Most scholars are closer to 4000 BC.
    Because people don't live 930 years in reality.
     
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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Even from the most generous POV, is the bible any different than a good long James Michener book?
    At least Michener books are founded on knowledge of prevailing conditions during the history of earth.
    Wikipedia

    The bible can't even claim that.
    And it is still being considered as a viable and valid psychological tool for symbiotic domestication and civilization?

    A Michener Novel also has a lot of morality plays.
     
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  20. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I learned to cuss in seventeen countries. Big pile of handy words in the back of my brain. I once used a sentence that had English, Spanish, Italian and Japanese. The guy I was talking to said "What did you just say?"

    My reply, "I have no idea."
     
  21. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    Wow. I did not know that. I was not aware Islam was so strict.
     
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  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    99% of it isn't. Those are the nutcases.
     
  23. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks. I have had Muslim friends growing up and they were very polite and nice to me.
     

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