What is Truth?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by James R, Sep 11, 2022.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    No, it's cultural at its heart. We all share much of the same culture which is why we share a lot of the same values. Some seem obvious.

    I don't think everyone is beating up on James. I think some of that is just past actions coming back to "haunt" him. He responds to every post, usually with sarcasm and name calling along with a moral judgement. I've been called a racist, bigot, told that my moral compass needs adjusting and had words put into my mouth that I haven't uttered. No one but a moderator would usually think that was an appropriate way to interact within a social group.

    When you do that and become the moral god of the site, it's not unbelievable that there will be some "self-correction" by the members. This is largely a discussion site and not a lecture site. Those wanting discussion generally get it.

    Those wanting to lecture and moralize at other's expense can expect some pushback at most any site and in most any environment.

    People, when left alone in general, will tend to self-regulate and get along and name calling will be kept to a minimum just as it is on the school grounds as kids turn into teenagers and learn how to communicate and get along with others.

    It gets out of whack when one person tries to control everyone else, whether that's a dictator or a moderator that exerts themselves unnecessarily. James the member wouldn't be facing the same comments as James the moderator most likely.

    I agree that James shouldn't be picked on, or MR or anyone else. What doesn't work is selective comments. Accusing one person of making a snarky comment while ignoring the snarky comment they were responding to.

    It's silly to try to moderate how people talk to each other within certain bounds. There will be sarcastic comments from time to time. Just don't use hate speech, go out of your way to be a pest without provocation, don't moralize at other's expense and everyone should be able to get along.

    James is a good guy as are most people here. He is currently just getting the same pushback that anyone would that called that many people that many names. It just caught up with him.

    IMO it's no big deal. It would happen to any of us. I'm not going to suggest that he go and reflect on his actions as that is the kind of condescending remark that people are pushing back against.

    Just move on and let's not be too sensitive about some long overdue pushback. It is what it is.

    In my opinion (not worth much) we don't need apologies or a lot of "reporting" of other members. The group can socialize itself by thinking of online names as actual people. You can occasionally be snarky with your group, you don't usually question their morals or tell them to go and reflect. That's a glass tower approach that always fails.

    Let's lighten up a bit.

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  3. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    I see a direct problem with the question "What is Truth?"

    Since you could also ask "Where is Truth?" and then spend a lot of time figuring out why those are (resp. are not) different questions.
    Then you could consider "Why is Truth? When is Truth?" etc.

    What I'm saying is, the word truth isn't necessarily about what it is; in fact I'd have to conclude that truth is not something you can carve in stone and say "this is what Truth is". Not gonna happen.

    And there's a certain inevitable hubris, in asking what truth is, in that the question suggests nobody knows the answer. But that can't be true . . .
    To support the above arguments, I respectfully submit this entire thread.

    Your Honor.
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Sure

    Keeping to the presumed topic of the thread and discussing What is Truth would help

    Discussing, more or less, who said what is really not going to illuminate What is Truth

    Truth would be a utterance which describes the reality of an occurrence

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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Does your post do that?

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    My post was dealing with the current realities, IMO.
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    The current reality is the topic of the post is What is Truth?

    Are you claiming the last posted post within the thread should become the current topic topic?

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  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The thread topic was about truth. So was my post. All the comments from me and everyone else that you are saying took it off topic were about the OP comments in this thread.

    It's hard to stay out of it when the OP apology to another member brought my name up like a piece of trash, bigot, racist, moral compass out of adjustment? All that from an apology to another member?

    I don't think you would react any differently, would you?
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    YES

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  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    OK, you're a doddering Magoo of an old man, slightly deranged with barely a clue as to what you are talking about. (tongue in cheek of course)

    Now, just respond to the OP of "What Is Truth."

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  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I am responding only because otherwise you would be unable to work out my REAL response

    <CLICK> Consider yourself Iggyed (well fake Iggyed) just for the purpose of this explanation I have made my response in visible text

    Last time I looked I had / have over 50 on Iggy. Truth is a few are gummies but I gave up Iggying those awhile back since they tend not to be around long

    <CLICK> You are fake off fake being fake ON Iggy

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  13. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I think certain ''truths'' can cause you to change your life, motivate you to try new things, and inspire you. In other words, truths that literally move a person to change might be the most truthful truths of all.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry I doubt that what you have stated is correct

    I would go with what you believe is the truth can literally move a person even if it is uncertain it is the truth

    Prime example is religion. It is unknown, from the thousands of gods claimed to be true, if any of them exist yet each of them can literally move a person who believes the claim they (singular or plural) exist

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  15. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    That is one way of looking at it. There are however, secular truths that we all live by and that laws are built around. When we see and hear about instances of systemic racism for example, we know that is wrong, right? We should be moved to seek justice, even if we aren't personally afflicted. That is the type of truth that will move a person to change. That's not a ''belief.''
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I would still be going with beliefs

    Some believe one group is better than another group. Team sports thrive on such beliefs. The winners determine the truth of the belief, if only for the sport, not other life aspects

    Lots more to unpick but it is close to 6am and I should have been asleep hours ago

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  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    There's a truth in growing up, growing older, and being intoxicated and passing out on some guys bed. Maybe it can make you all the wiser; I think that's the sentiment.
     
  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Never done that

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    Strongly agree. Reality is the ultimate truth overshadowed by belief.
    Agree. Experience guides interpretations.
    Agree. The will of the masses is not to be underestimated. Nor will it ever go without truth. In other words the will of the masses is the ultimate truth.
    Disagree. Their meaning is already defined and a word is created; otherwise truth could be made just by speaking.
    Disagree. At the highest pentacles of truth there will always be disagreements.
    Strongly disagree. Truth can’t be changed.
     

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