What's wrong with identifying objects as possessing a value which is relative to the values of other objects. I'm not talking human mathematics. But even there, the analogy holds. Each object has intrinsic values, which can be measured and described in relation to other objects and values of other objects. What is the difference between the English metric and the European metric system? Only the symbolic values are different, the actual relative values and functional potentials are the same in same objects, regardless of symbolic representation. (10" = 25.4 cm), (a^2 + b^2 = c^2) We don't give values to objects. Objects give their values to us, we merely symbolize them in various ways for our convenience.