Why do theists reject evolution?

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  1. foghorn Registered Senior Member

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    That's incredible, you could say he's using his nut. But, I don't think it would fool a whale.

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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Lol!!! You believe darwinism is true, and you call me deluded

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    If communism wasn't so horribly detrimental to humans, that would be really funny.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    On the other hand, your studied ignorance is really funny.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Coming from someone who believes doggy types turn into whales.

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    How does it feel to to accept something as true, knowing it is not even possible, but you accept it because you want to deny God?
     
  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, I see you've re-winded your "Creationist Argument" tape and are starting it from the beginning..., again. Learning, bad. Ignorance, good.
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Boring.

    Talk about God with margaritas. Then you'll make me cum.
     
  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    If we wanted to deny God, we'd just say so, like this:

    "We deny God"

    See, that wasn't very hard to do and it didn't require the need to invoke science.

    Of course, the statement is meaningless anyways, it's the same as saying, "We deny Unicorns"
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Over millions of years - they do indeed. Just like chimpanzees and humans shared a common ancestor some six million years ago. Them's the facts.
    I don't deny God. You deny facts.

    I prefer my approach.
     
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  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    This might be of interest



    Evolution of parts of a smashed watch simulation on computer, 9 minutes



    One for Jan - 6 minutes



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  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And why is Darwinian "evolution by natural selection" not true? That is the OP question, no?
    And what does communism have to do with evolution?

    Two simple questions. Do you have an answer to either one?

    I'll help you along.

    Nature of primitive communist societies
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_communism
     
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  14. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Pretty sure I have. Don't really care when or if.

    But you sure seem keen on not answering.
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I simply prefer that we have no evidence for any God, and that supernatural and paranormal gap fillers are unscientific anyway.

    People, many people chose to accept God/supernatural, simply because humanity has had a much longer period when the awe, wonder and mystery of the universe around him, could not be answered by science and the scientific method.
    While many of those questions are now scientifically answered, the conventions handed down through the ages, the hard to accept fact, that humanity and life in general was just an accidental chemical reaction, coupled with the fear of death and finality by some, sees religion and supernatural beliefs continue with some.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree and I can understand why a justifiable awe and wonder of this reality would lead one to think of some "special event " that has resulted in this vibrant universe and life within it.

    Every one accepts that premise, but this does not need to be a special motivated plan by an unknown sentience, who can reward a fruitful life with eternal life, except as a metaphor for continued life.

    We do know that regular patterns (such as life) can emerge spontaneously from Chaos. No intent is required. And for a religious institution to reject Darwinian evolution in favor of some undefined magic trick is a plain old confidence game.

    Even as the Catholic Church accepts evolution, it rejects Darwinian evolution, because it contradicts Original Cause, an idea for which, ironically, millions have died and been relegated to oblivion, instead of living a long fruitful life and having the living reward and joy of watching many offspring insuring continuance of life itself....

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Several animals have webbed feet, which are only useful in aquatic environment. My White Labrador had enormous webbed feet and was a fantastic swimmer even in strong currents.

    It seems to me that dogs are a wonderful example of evolutionary adaptability.
    Different dog breeds have paws adapted to navigate their natural habitat.

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    Consider the following: Anatomy of the Paw

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    For your pleasure: illustrated with the paw of a 4-week-old puppy. Eric

    https://www.treehugger.com/things-you-didnt-know-about-dog-paws-4864204#:~:text=Newfoundlands
     
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  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It might be comforting to you to pretend that it's a mere matter of choosing to believe or not to believe, but science isn't primarily about what people believe. It goes on evidence. The evolution of whales is well evidenced. But you're already well aware of that.

    Jan, if it makes you feel better, nobody is forcing you to believe in evolution. You can stick your head in the sand if your religion can't cope with the reality. I won't mind. But I don't see any point in your preaching the faith that evolution is false. Not to people who know something about evolution. Besides, we know that you know, too, because we taught you all about it. So what's the point?
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The Pontifical Academy of Science (Vatican) isn't forcing Jan to believe evolution, but it does admit evolution is true.

    Jan, are you prepared to declare the Vatican wrong? They agreed with you for a couple of millenia, but since 1950 have changed the narrative, declaring evolution is true, but does not contradict Original Creation.
     
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