why we need ghosts

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by birch, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Did not know that

    Must go around now for a chance to check it out

    Thinks
    Would buy a EMT detector but bloody expensive
    Candle seems a cheap option

    Need pocket full of keys in case get attacked by a herd of ghost

    Thought bubble - if I thow a key at a ghost and it passes through that ghost (who vanishes) and then goes through one behind - does the one behind vanish?

    More involved than I thought

    Do keys short circuit the EMT ghost run on?

    Who ya gonna call? - Wegsbuster (when she finds her USB wire, candle and keys)

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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That's a good way to lose a key.

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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Oh my bad. Of course the key will disappear

    I thought she ment the ghost

    Silly me

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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I am going to start carrying an Advance ballast in my pocket. I hear ghosts hate those.
     
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  8. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Aw, I knew you'd come around to ''believing.''

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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    As already said, TV shows along the lines of the X-Files, and the entertainment industry in general, while there to do just that entertain, most certainly do have some effect on some gullible people that simply "want to believe"
    I suppose one could hypothesise that it could tend to brighten up or add some exitement to an apparently dull existence.

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  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I find it hard to believe anyone could watch X-files and take any of it seriously.
    I also find it hard to believe that anyone could watch Ghosthunters and take it seriously.
    They might enjoy stuff about the paranormal, but if asked directly, I'm pretty certain they would say 'It's just entertainment'.

    Even Pro-wrestling fans - if the screws are put to their thumbs - will admit they know it's all entertainment.

    (This includes MR. I strongly suspect he is mostly just trying to get a rise.)
     
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  11. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Most of us fully concur with you on that issue, DaveC426913.
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Or Bigfoot.

    Why don't you believe in God? You're ready to believe in just about every other thing from the "spirit realm".

    How did you reach the conclusion that spirits exist, but God does not? What led you to rule out God, but not ghosts?

    Why can't you equally dismiss ghosts as an explanation for unexplained events? Ghosts aren't any different to the Easter Bunny, are they? They have all the same properties - hard to detect, seldom seen, appear in fiction, implausible in the light of science, etc. Why accept the one and reject the other?

    So it's all about your arbitrary beliefs, is it?

    It's no different from somebody saying "I dismiss the idea that the world is warming, because I don't believe in climate change". Or "I dismiss the idea that vaccines prevent disease, because I don't believe in germs (or Biology, or Science, take your pick)."

    Suppose I were to tell you that I don't believe in little green men from Mars. Would you be satisfied with that as a valid reason for my dismissing the landing of a green Martian spaceship on the White House lawn?

    Is it okay for us all to just decide what we want to believe in and what we don't? Can I dismiss that Trump is the President of the United States because I don't believe in Presidents, or perhaps because I don't believe anybody so unqualified could be elected President?
     
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  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Seattle:

    Is thinking an idea is silly a valid reason for not believing in it, then, according to you?

    I get it. You thought ghosts were silly. Magical Realist thinks God is silly.

    We've had a whole parade of people here - some just recently - who think that the theory of relativity is silly, and others who think that the theory of evolution by natural selection is silly. Does that mean they are justified in not believing in those things - on that basis alone?

    It sounds like you thought evidence was important, back when you were a kid.

    When did you decide that evidence isn't important?

    (When did Magical Realist decide that?)

    Does he? He hasn't given us any reasons. Just his hunch, his opinion, his gut feeling. Is that enough for you? Is that how it works for you?

    Believing stuff is the same as hitting "Like" on Facebook, is it? You can either do it, or not do. Totally up to you, and equally valid either way?

    Is knowledge just a matter of what you like?
     
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  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    And I don't believe it's ghosts.

    Are we done, then, now that we've compared our beliefs? What else is there to talk about?

    Why is it paranormal activity? Because you believe that's what it is? Are we done then? Is there anything else to talk about?

    I believe there's a dragon in my garage. So there is. Done.
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Everything has to believe in something. I believe I will have another beer.
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    My boy, as a teenager, once said about smoking cigarettes: "Either it'll kill me or it won't. 50:50 chance, right?"
    Didn't understand the difference between possibilities and probabilities.
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    kevin78:

    Welcome to sciforums.

    This is discussion forum that at least nods its head towards science and the scientific method. It is not a blog where you merely share your "likes".

    Necessarily, this means that when we're discussing topics that are amenable to evidence-based discussion, that is the kind of discussion that is encouraged.

    Moreover, mindless cut-and-paste re-blogging of youtube videos and the like is not conducive to intelligent discussion, especially where that occurs without any thought, commentary, or critical analysis.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe he'll listen to you.
    When I pointed this out, he clammed up, and stuck his fingers in his ears.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    And says so explicitly in the rules:

    "...we retain in all areas of debate an ethos of respect for the scientific method, which demands critical analysis, clear thinking and evidence-based argument."

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/sciforums-site-rules.142880/
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I think it looks like a fake.
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I don't. I'm confident that there are people out there who believe the X files was more or less a documentary.

    Even easier to suspend rationality on that one, since it actually pretends to be a documentary.

    You overestimate the people you're dealing with.

    No. MR clearly has some ... er ... issues that, for whatever reason, have led him to fixate on the woo. It's emotionally important to him that it be true. You can tell by how angry he gets every time reasonable questions are raised as to the veracity of the stuff he posts, and even moreso whenever one of his cherished "sightings" is debunked conclusively.
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Silly, in my case is enough, since silly to me is an idea with no evidence.

    I didn't say that it makes a lot of sense to me to believe in ghosts. It makes a lot of sense to not believe in God. Sure, it brings up the question, "why do you believe in ghosts?" but that's up to him.

    I don't see any evidence for either and to believe in either of them is silly for that reason.
     
  23. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    This could be a ''quote to remember.''
     

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